Season One Finale -Our Favorite Moments

[00:00:00] Welcome back climbers. I'm your co-host, Kayley Floyd, and this is another episode of Climbing Mount CMMC.

[00:00:14] Hello guys and welcome to our last and final episode of Climbing Mount CMMC Season 1.

[00:00:21] I cannot believe that we are here today.

[00:00:24] Get a little teary-eyed, a little bit of a stick.

[00:00:27] I can't believe that we, this is going to be our 22nd episode that we are going to be

[00:00:34] posting today with so many guests that have joined us in the Season 1.

[00:00:40] So many amazing, oh my gosh, it was so great.

[00:00:42] Great participation.

[00:00:44] Yeah, they were amazing. Every single one of them was so memorable.

[00:00:48] We, today, we're going to be talking about some of our favorite moments of Season 1

[00:00:53] and also even sharing you guys like little clips here and there of things that we loved,

[00:00:58] moments that we loved with our guests, with each other and whatnot.

[00:01:02] And it genuinely was very difficult for me to pick between all of these episodes.

[00:01:09] Picking your favorite kids.

[00:01:10] I know.

[00:01:11] Well so it just kind of gives us an opportunity to kind of let our hair down.

[00:01:15] I love how you did that.

[00:01:16] Yeah, yeah, to let our hair down. Just sort of talk about the season

[00:01:20] more from a satellite perspective, right? Just to kind of get an idea of how we felt.

[00:01:25] I couldn't have been happier with all the guests that we've had,

[00:01:28] the topics that we've talked about.

[00:01:29] I mean just to kind of double down on our focus of what we're really trying

[00:01:33] to accomplish here with this podcast is for MSPs that are considering getting into space,

[00:01:37] what does it look like? What do they need to know?

[00:01:39] What's the information we want to share?

[00:01:40] And then if you're looking at hiring an MSP, what would you want to expect from them?

[00:01:44] What should they be thinking about? Because I think that's,

[00:01:49] when you're getting engaged with a maintenance service provider,

[00:01:51] it is probably one of the most important things if you're doing a CMMC journey as a company

[00:01:58] that's going to eventually have to get certified. If you're an SMB and you're

[00:02:01] going to have to hire a maintenance service provider or maybe someone to do more of

[00:02:04] the sim and soccer, just anybody that's outsourced watching this podcast would be

[00:02:09] hugely instrumental in helping you try to understand not only what you're going to have

[00:02:13] to do but what you need to be careful in thinking about when you're involving a third

[00:02:17] party such as an MSP like ourselves. Right, exactly. Yeah. And I mean, we had,

[00:02:23] just like how Bobby said and I said previously, the guests that came on to show different

[00:02:28] perspectives. So although this is, you know, we call it climbing Mount CMMC,

[00:02:33] it might be one mountain, it might be, you know, from our perspective, our journey,

[00:02:39] we also got a lot of other people's perspectives and a lot of others' journeys along the way.

[00:02:45] Right. Some of them looked different than ours. Some of these MSPs that we had on some of these

[00:02:50] vendors are climbing this mountain in a whole different way, which is just so interesting

[00:02:57] to listen to, to hear their feedback and to get their perspective on the journey for them

[00:03:03] even. So I hope that, you know, our listeners enjoyed seeing those different perspectives as

[00:03:09] well on the podcast. So without further ado, I guess we'll get into the first part of this podcast,

[00:03:18] which I kind of wanted to start it off in a lighter note with one of our, which I'll say mine,

[00:03:26] you say yours, funniest moments from season one, which I was looking back at some of these

[00:03:35] and I'm not going to lie there were some that I was literally as the producer,

[00:03:40] not even being seen on some of these episodes laughing so hard. Matt made me laugh so hard.

[00:03:48] Matt Lee when he was on, he was cracking me up with sometimes, and he, yeah, there was this

[00:03:54] one moment where he said, which this isn't what I'm going to say, but I just had to add this.

[00:03:58] He said, come closer. And he like got really close to the camera to say his perspective.

[00:04:05] And I was dying laughing at the other side. He's just so funny. So we unwisely thought

[00:04:12] this is going to be one episode. Like when you get Matt involved, his passion,

[00:04:17] it's going to be a two-parter. Yes. So I have to ask before I share mine,

[00:04:23] Bobby, do you have one that you want to highlight about maybe some of the funniest moments from

[00:04:29] season one of climbing Mount ZMMC? It's more about pets and family members.

[00:04:37] My son, just when he sneezes, it always comes in triplets. And it's probably one of the

[00:04:42] loudest as well as my wife. And you know what they sound like. They can sometimes startle you

[00:04:49] out of your skin because they are so loud. And so you'll hear that in the background.

[00:04:53] I have this cat, her name is Belle and she loves to play fetch. And she will like see how the

[00:04:59] door's kind of cracked in the background. She'll kind of peek it in and she'll come in and go,

[00:05:02] Hey, I see you're standing up. So let's play fetch. I want you to shoot a hair tie. I don't

[00:05:06] want to chase it. So she comes in, she's sitting right next to me, look at me like

[00:05:10] now sounds like a good time right now. So that if you see like during the podcast,

[00:05:16] the door kind of crack open, but nobody come in. It's my cat. That's probably one of my

[00:05:20] more funnier things. And then it just seems like as well as others will have their dogs

[00:05:25] just go bending in as sometimes we're doing our recording. So it's pretty funny.

[00:05:29] It's true. Yeah. And I think that leads to one of the funnier moments for me as well is,

[00:05:36] okay, she's also one of my favorites that we've had on is Karen Stanford.

[00:05:43] And something that was so funny about recording her episode is she

[00:05:47] was so passionate about the topic, which this is what I love about her. She was so passionate

[00:05:52] about the topic. She started sharing stuff before we started fully recording.

[00:05:57] Good stuff. This is cold. You know, she's sharing.

[00:06:00] Yeah. Before we started recording the episode. And so Bobby was like,

[00:06:05] was like, Oh, hold on, Karen, let me get this down. You're saying good stuff.

[00:06:09] Don't say it too soon. Just wait, just wait.

[00:06:12] We're going to hit record. We haven't done it yet.

[00:06:14] Let us do it. I love her for that because she's so fun when she just gets really passionate into

[00:06:22] Matlee as well, but so does Karen. She gets really passionate into the topics.

[00:06:25] But one of my favorite parts, which really threw me off when you first said it,

[00:06:33] I believe it was your first podcast with Adam, which I'll clip it here, but you talk about

[00:06:42] something in which you can share a little bit more about this marriage counseling.

[00:06:46] Oh yeah. That's a coin phrase that we've started using around here.

[00:06:51] That has popped up a couple of times now in season one. So do you want to explain

[00:06:56] your catchphrase now that you've created? Yeah, it's just kind of our analogy or example

[00:07:01] of when organizations like a managed service provider and someone that has to get certified,

[00:07:06] they both kind of decide that they're going to go to marriage counseling. They're going to

[00:07:10] find some company that's going to counsel them through their CMMC journey together.

[00:07:14] And somehow at the end, they're going to get married, have vows and it's going to say,

[00:07:20] credits and it's going to be beautiful. It's such a huge deal. You don't want any of those

[00:07:28] two parties to leave in that process because then both lose. And so you really want to make

[00:07:34] sure that you partner with someone who's going to be like, I've already been there or I'm

[00:07:38] doing it because it's such a huge commitment. And I just, I see a lot of organizations doing

[00:07:45] that kind of marriage counseling and it's just, it's scary. It scares me.

[00:07:49] Yeah. Yeah. It definitely threw me off when you first made me laugh when I wasn't there

[00:07:55] when you guys were recording that episode, but editing it back was quite funny. I was like,

[00:07:59] do I keep this in? Was this purposeful? Classic lobbyisms.

[00:08:04] Yeah. By the eighth time or so that you shared it in an episode, I was like, I think this is

[00:08:09] pretty sure this is his here to stay. Maybe we just need to make merch about it and stuff.

[00:08:14] Just keep it at the end. I see a shirt in the future.

[00:08:17] I love it. So let's switch to the second thing that I want to talk about, which I

[00:08:24] called it the smack down moment, which is basically one of the harder hitting

[00:08:31] moments from season one, something that has stood out to you as something that really like slapped

[00:08:38] you in the face. I guess you could say when re when recording from either a guest or maybe

[00:08:43] something that you researched when preparing for an episode. So what would you say was yours for

[00:08:49] season one? Well, there's so many smack down moments and there was like, Ooh, that's a good

[00:08:54] clip right there. You hit it on our intro. Like you created a clip that sort of was kind

[00:08:59] of teasing people about what to expect because for those that may not know that, like Kaylee does a

[00:09:04] great job of getting episodes queued up. So people that were record with us, a lot of times

[00:09:11] it'll be a month or two before their X their episode actually gets done. And before we were

[00:09:15] doing it, you had had like five or six episodes in before we actually released the first one.

[00:09:20] Right? So because of that, you're able to create a trailer. And one of the ones that

[00:09:24] you did was the first recording we did with Brian Hubbard. And we actually did it at CS2

[00:09:28] Denver, which if you've never attended a summit seven CS2 conference, those guys put on a great

[00:09:34] show. And when I was there, we did an in person interview and Brian said something that I thought

[00:09:40] was great as I asked him the question, I wasn't exactly sure what he was going to say. And I

[00:09:44] was like, you know, if you're hiring an MSP, what would you expect for them? And I had just

[00:09:49] like immediately snapped back. I expect them to show up. Like if I'm doing the assessment

[00:09:53] and I'm the assessor, I expect the MSP to show up to the assessment and they got to be

[00:09:58] ready to present the best posture for their client. And I was just like, Whoa, that I mean,

[00:10:04] I get it. But I just he so eloquently just nailed it. And I thought that was just

[00:10:09] and that was our first take first episode. And I thought that at that moment, I kind of said,

[00:10:14] we've got something special here. I think people are going to be really sharing some

[00:10:17] things that are passionate. Yeah. The second one would be a mirror when she was talking

[00:10:22] about her templates and how she was going through that. I was just about to talk about her.

[00:10:26] You know, her her kind of smackdown process that she was talking about was just about how

[00:10:31] the devil's in the details about the documentation piece. I thought that was really

[00:10:35] good. And I think Joe also did a great job in his closing us out talking about when you're

[00:10:42] bringing on a consultant, whether it's a main service provider or just someone that's

[00:10:45] going to help guide you through the journey, just looking for expectations.

[00:10:49] Joe's passion is just second to none in the industry as well as both Amira and

[00:10:54] both of them just provided such great insight and every podcast. I'm always learning something,

[00:11:00] taking notes. Yeah. And it's just been really a blessing to have so many great people attend.

[00:11:04] And we're going to have some more in the next season. I know we're going to talk about

[00:11:09] that haven't been there. We're going to be having hopefully Joe come back from deaf cert

[00:11:15] to talk about some rev three stuff that they deaf cert has been really leading the charge on

[00:11:21] what you have to think about when you're going to be considering going from revision two to

[00:11:24] revision three. So a little bit of a teaser there. I love it. Yeah, we didn't really shy

[00:11:29] away from asking some tough questions, man. I really threw some very tough ones at Karen.

[00:11:35] What about this? What about this? And she just didn't bat an eye and just leaned right in.

[00:11:39] That's one of the things I love about her passion. And we've tried to do that. And

[00:11:44] I did the same thing with Karen, the same with everybody. And some of that we've already

[00:11:47] recorded some stuff for season two. And we've been even doing that more with some of the guests

[00:11:52] asking some very tough questions. And I just love the guests that we have had so far in

[00:11:57] season one because they didn't shy away. Like we do this recorded, right? And sometimes we

[00:12:03] make a mistake and we re kind of edit it. But when we're asking those tough questions,

[00:12:07] we never once edited those. They everybody just didn't bat an eye. We've just been really

[00:12:14] great to have just people that didn't shy away from those types of topics.

[00:12:18] Oh, yeah. No, for sure. And that leads into my, I think my smackdown moment,

[00:12:24] which again, I'll clip all of these in afterwards, but I loved and I believe it was part

[00:12:31] one of your episode with Matt Lee where it was the 10 things MSP should be doing right now.

[00:12:39] Um, he says, well, you know, you should be doing what you're say you're doing.

[00:12:45] And it kind of has to do with, I mean, it's like, well, duh, but like, shoot, yeah,

[00:12:50] we should be doing what we're saying we're doing because, you know, if you look at the CMMC

[00:12:55] journey, there's a lot of these things that the assumption is that you're already doing

[00:13:00] these things internally as well. Right? And a lot of people are not and they say they are,

[00:13:07] you know, and so I just love how Matt just came out just guns blazing. He was just like,

[00:13:14] well, you should be doing what you say you're doing, you know? And it was just,

[00:13:17] it was so simple, but yet so true of like, that's what we're supposed to be doing.

[00:13:23] He was also we were like, Whoa, Matt, we haven't hit record yet, buddy. Let's just,

[00:13:27] let's yeah, you know, because he's like, coach, I'm ready to go. Like he really had

[00:13:34] a passion. And, you know, with the CMMC journey, they have these things called NFO controls.

[00:13:39] And these controls were assumptions that the NIST organization as well as the bodies that were

[00:13:45] working jointly on it felt that organizations with poverty already be doing and as an MSP,

[00:13:51] you would expect that you would be doing that as well. And just really being transparent

[00:13:56] here, like as we have been getting better as an organization, as we've been preparing,

[00:14:01] I have been shocked at how it's really opened my eyes to things that we should be doing better

[00:14:07] as an as a community for man to service providers, speaking to myself, as well as everybody in the

[00:14:12] space, as well as just us axiom as a company, you know, we've gotten better, we've been

[00:14:16] improving and how we've been doing things. And no matter what happens in the shakedown with

[00:14:21] the CMMC ecosystem, anybody who's involved in it, and has been applying these policies,

[00:14:28] you're going to be a better company for it. If you really take them seriously. And I think the

[00:14:32] thing that I love about Matt's, in ours kind of session is we just we really wanted to try to

[00:14:38] help an MSP or an OSC that's going for this, what are things that you really should have

[00:14:44] first before you try to take a charge at the Hill? These are the passing and blocking before

[00:14:49] you even try to get on the field to try to win a game like what are the things you should

[00:14:53] be doing? And that podcast did such a great job of think about line that Yeah,

[00:14:57] I completely agree. Yeah. And the other thing I was going to say too, about about Matt's

[00:15:04] episode that we had to split into two parts like I use it because it got so into it was,

[00:15:11] I really think that it did an incredible job of making what what was not seeming tangible

[00:15:20] at first tangible. And a lot of our guests on here did did and do an incredible job at that.

[00:15:31] Amira is another example. Shell, Shell Phillips isn't an is a great example of that Brian is

[00:15:37] is a great example of that the like the MSP community I feel like is better now with what

[00:15:45] these people are bringing to the game. Like, I mean, what Brian Hubbard is doing, you know,

[00:15:52] what Shell is doing. I mean, it's there's so many people on here joy what joy is doing,

[00:15:58] you know, it's they're all bringing to the table, these things that are making the community

[00:16:06] better. Right. And and it's like, that's why I was like a smackdown moment. I'm like,

[00:16:11] these people are doing some incredible things, you know, and we're just happy to be

[00:16:16] part of their journey. Yes, like I mean, MSP is for the protection of critical infrastructure.

[00:16:23] I did not know about that. I did not know about that at all until we did our podcast.

[00:16:28] But wow, they're doing some great things over there. And same with the podcast that I did

[00:16:32] with Brian for the MSP Cyber X. I mean, I loved doing that podcast with him. He did a

[00:16:38] great job. And I am so excited to see where his journey leads, you know, for that stuff.

[00:16:44] So I think it's so great. I'm really excited about that. As well as just being part of

[00:16:51] working with him. Brian's such a great guy. And and Shell's podcast that he did,

[00:16:57] I think was so low key critical. Because if you're if you're trying to get involved in

[00:17:03] anything, whether let's just say let's just put CMMC on the sideline for a second. Shell's

[00:17:09] implementation for the CIS templates that he has is second to none that I've seen his templates

[00:17:16] and how you can imply them and start looking at your organization and start comparing how you

[00:17:21] as an MSP because if you're picking MSP, you should be able to go to your MSP and say,

[00:17:26] hey, show evidence that you eat your own dog food. Give me your system security plan.

[00:17:30] Show me what you got. And if you if you get Shell's templates and just before you even

[00:17:36] try to do the journey, you just actually implement them in your side, your maintenance service

[00:17:40] provider, and then you start trying to tackle going after CMMC. Boy, I would have loved to

[00:17:48] have had that maturity before we started our CMMC journey. It would have been a whole heck

[00:17:52] of a lot easier for us. You know, we didn't have as good a grasp on compliance as when

[00:17:57] we started this journey. So we really started from the parking lot starting the race.

[00:18:03] We heard the starter pistol. We just took off right from our car. And that's sort of how I

[00:18:08] felt a few years ago as we started trying to get into this. And it has been quite a

[00:18:14] challenge. Whereas if an MSP now had been doing those types of things and then they

[00:18:19] started trying to get in the space, boy, it's not as hard to lift. And so that's another

[00:18:25] part that we've been really trying to communicate in this podcast to everybody listening

[00:18:30] is it is so much easier of a journey if you have already been doing a lot of the things that

[00:18:36] that NIST has kind of assumed that we have been doing all along.

[00:18:41] Yeah, that's such a great point. And there's a lot of episodes where we even mention,

[00:18:47] I mean, even with Joe's that we just did of like, oh, if you implement some of the

[00:18:51] things that he's saying, the questions that you should ask for starting. Wow, will this be a lot

[00:18:57] easier of a process? Not saying it will be an easy process, but easier of a process it will be.

[00:19:03] So let's move on to the last topic I want to talk about, which is the shock factor moment.

[00:19:10] Was there something during season one that you heard from somebody else or maybe you

[00:19:16] researched that shocked you that you were not expecting?

[00:19:24] Shock factor. I would just say, Karen, just because when we, I haven't come from a FedRAMP

[00:19:32] background and Karen's had such a tremendous amount of experience in it. And that's a lot

[00:19:40] of what this program, the CMMC program has, it's sort of the lens, a lot of this has been

[00:19:44] looked at through to some extent from the DOD's perspective is building that CMMC program,

[00:19:51] is they're really trying to incorporate as much as they can from the ground they've

[00:19:55] already taken by implementing FedRAMP. And so her ability to kind of look at her experience

[00:20:02] at the FedRAMP environment and kind of using it as an opportunity to read the tea leaves

[00:20:07] about how CMMC program is going to go has been really interesting in helping me as a

[00:20:13] company start to try to plan how, as we're working with our clients, the safer path

[00:20:20] to help get them prepared. Because what you don't want to do is get a client

[00:20:24] what you believe is ready and then as you start to see more clarity on some of these things

[00:20:28] like tooling and other type stuff like that, you've put the client in a potentially

[00:20:34] susceptible to not making a met versus what you don't want to have is unmet

[00:20:41] in your assessment. And so for me, I just thought Karen's did such a great job of providing

[00:20:48] clarity as well as helping us to try to understand that a lot of the assessors

[00:20:53] that are going to be in the community that you might potentially get as a C3PO to audit

[00:21:00] you as well as your client, you need to understand where they're coming from. Do they

[00:21:05] have much SMB experience? Are they mostly working in the FedRAMP experience? And if

[00:21:09] that's the case, then they may be looking at you from a different perspective than what

[00:21:13] you're not used to being looked at. Because they're just such a larger and it's a different beast

[00:21:19] and they won't be able to speak necessarily the same language that you speak. And

[00:21:26] because there hasn't been happening a ton of assessments yet, mostly of them happening

[00:21:32] through joint assessment or readiness assessments in organizations, a ton of assessors in the

[00:21:37] community haven't had an opportunity to really cut their teeth at the level that anybody would

[00:21:41] feel comfortable with to feel like they've really understood how to implement the NIST framework

[00:21:49] in a production environment for manufacturing for large scale. There's just not a lot of

[00:21:54] experience about doing that through the CMMC program. Now there's a lot of people that have

[00:22:02] been in the industry for a lot of years and they understand this, the 171 and 171A framework.

[00:22:08] But understanding it about how it kind of works together with MSPs and that ecosystem

[00:22:13] through the CMMC program, it's just a little bit different and I think it's gonna be interesting.

[00:22:17] Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think for me, the shock factor moment was when you and I

[00:22:27] sat down and talked about pricing. What is it going to cost an MSP to start this journey? Which

[00:22:35] we don't have the 100% answer, but we were able to be very vulnerable with what has happened

[00:22:43] and what it has costed us as a company. And that was very shocking to me. I think it was

[00:22:49] shocking to you as well when you were doing the research into actually how much it was.

[00:22:53] Well, I just didn't really think when you start thinking about it as if you're an MSP

[00:23:00] and you're gonna go for it. You want to get level two yourself. If you've made that decision,

[00:23:08] it's going to take one to two people inside your organization, dedicated almost full time,

[00:23:13] if not totally full time. Which some people have no idea that is going to be the case.

[00:23:17] Right. Okay, so you're going to need at least one to two people that you're going

[00:23:23] basically right off for eight months to a year to happen. And then on top of that,

[00:23:29] you're paying that person a salary. Now, do you get your intern to implement your

[00:23:36] CMOS? No, you've got to have someone that's got experience. So that's not going to be

[00:23:41] a low salaried person. So that immediately raises the bar cost-wise. And then all the

[00:23:47] tools, all the licenses, the containers, the framework, everything that would be well north

[00:23:52] of $250,000. And an MSP looks at that and goes, oh wait, okay, so I have to write one or two

[00:23:58] people off. I have to pay at least $250,000 in cost. And what do I get? I get the participation

[00:24:04] award of being involved in the CMOS program. Right. And that's why you've seen a lot of

[00:24:09] MSPs just not really get in that space quite yet because they're looking at that

[00:24:13] and they're sort of doing the math. But I think there is a lot more to it than that.

[00:24:19] We're going to do a podcast and speaking, I think, to the reasons why you would want

[00:24:24] to do that in season two because we desperately need more people participating. And it's not

[00:24:30] a cry for help. I think there's a lot of wisdom and reasons why an MSP should be in

[00:24:34] that space. And we'll definitely cover that in season two. Yes. In season two, we have a

[00:24:39] lot coming. But before we talk about season two, I just want to celebrate the guy on the other

[00:24:47] side of the screen from me. Bobby has done 21, 22 now episodes of hosting this podcast and

[00:24:56] has done a great job including guests that have really added to this episode. So thank you,

[00:25:03] Bobby, for all that you've done with continuing those episodes and talking to these people and

[00:25:08] interviewing them very well. So we do have a little something for you, which I think it should

[00:25:15] be coming in to the door. Let me see. Hmm. I got to check on my assistant. Your assistant?

[00:25:25] Yeah. It looks like my assistant's bringing it in now. Oh, thank you so much for bringing

[00:25:34] the fan off. I don't want this. Oh, you got a mug? Yeah. Looks like for those of you guys who

[00:25:41] are joining us from the podcast side of things, we've gotten this climbing mount,

[00:25:45] CMMC mug for him. And we've also got you a nice little shirt there so you can be all swagged

[00:25:52] out. So cool. We're good at keeping secrets. Yeah, we're pretty good at what we do.

[00:26:01] What can I say? It's 2XL so it's going to fit my belly there. My assistant seems to know you very

[00:26:09] well. Look at that. Ain't she a beaut. Awesome, man. Now we all want one. Yeah, right.

[00:26:16] Ready. So if you guys like this episode- This is Judy, my wife in case you're wondering.

[00:26:22] Hi, Judy. Hello. Welcome. If the video gets at least 100 likes,

[00:26:30] I think we need to start making some merch. Yeah, I agree. That would be awesome.

[00:26:37] So congratulations, season one. The balloons are ready.

[00:26:41] That was a huge surprise. Wow, I didn't see that coming.

[00:26:45] Thank you. You guys are stealth.

[00:26:47] We're really quiet with it all. So I wanted to celebrate that season one has been such a

[00:26:55] success. But also we have literally already started like how Bobby was saying on season two,

[00:27:01] it is starting off with a bang, that's for sure. We've got people coming back like Brian

[00:27:07] and Shell that are getting into some pretty heated topics I might say.

[00:27:13] So I am very excited. No blows thrown but it was all very positive.

[00:27:17] No, but Shell was really hitting some points there.

[00:27:20] He really brought it. And I think I'll just, just a little taste is like Shell went through

[00:27:27] and broke down like if you're doing a contract, like what kind of clauses would be in there?

[00:27:31] And then Shell basically kind of did my job beautifully by the way,

[00:27:35] as he went through and he talked with Brian who is a, you know, CMMC certified assessor.

[00:27:40] He kind of said, okay, based on this contract, what are these requirements that

[00:27:44] are going to be followed? What does it look like? Where were you looking at your contracts?

[00:27:48] It just, it really opened my eyes as well as anybody in the space about how many things get

[00:27:54] pulled into the DFARS and FARs clauses and all these things in the contracts that when you're

[00:27:58] getting involved in that space, your client is going to have a requirement. And man,

[00:28:01] that was such a great podcast. I can't wait for that one to drop.

[00:28:04] Oh yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Shell was throwing it at Brian and Brian was taking it

[00:28:09] and throwing it right back. He was killing it. I really enjoyed sitting in on that one.

[00:28:16] And yeah, that one's going to be a good one. We've got some other pretty good ones coming

[00:28:22] our way. Let me give some examples maybe. Well, while you're bringing those up, I think

[00:28:29] another one that I'm really pumped about coming up is, you know, we're going to have

[00:28:34] Joe come back and talk. Maybe he might be joined by Ryan. We're not sure. We're still

[00:28:40] trying to work out schedules, but regardless, we're just going to try to talk about

[00:28:46] the NIST framework for 800-171. It's currently in revision two and revision three is out

[00:28:55] as far as in the proposed and it's going to be finalized this year.

[00:28:58] And that's really got a lot of people's head spinning about how that's going to

[00:29:02] impact the CMMC journey for a lot of people. And I would say there's nobody better

[00:29:09] talking about that than they are. Yeah. And also we recorded one to how to train

[00:29:17] for your CCP and CCA with Matt, Matt Hopper. And that one was so much fun to listen in on.

[00:29:27] Such a great guy. I mean, again, very practical, very straightforward, very upfront.

[00:29:34] I really enjoyed having him and I think you guys will learn so much from that podcast

[00:29:42] because, I mean, listen, he answered some questions that you gave them that were,

[00:29:45] you know, pretty pointed and pretty straightforward and he took it and he went

[00:29:50] for it. So I loved that episode. I'm really excited to post that one as well.

[00:29:56] So it looks like we have come to a close. Well, Kaylee, I'd like to say thank you on your

[00:30:04] participation in the production side of things because a lot of times when we were doing the

[00:30:09] recording, Kaylee's in the production studio section of Wee's Riverside for our podcast.

[00:30:15] He hides me. Yeah. And so we can hear her in our ears when she's talking to us and it's

[00:30:21] like, you know, it's like we're getting divine inspiration. Hey guys, you forgot to say this,

[00:30:26] this and this. You need to make sure that you cover this and she helps keep us on track. So

[00:30:29] thank you, Kaylee as well. Yeah, it's been such a huge success.

[00:30:34] Well, I have had so much fun. I mean, I said this earlier, but I've learned so much. I've

[00:30:38] had so much fun. I really hope you guys have enjoyed it or had even just half as much fun

[00:30:45] as I have listening to all of these podcasts. Thank you guys for tuning in or listening,

[00:30:52] whether you're on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you're listening to us

[00:30:57] or watching us. Thank you so much for tuning in and we are excited to continue to give

[00:31:04] you content and continue to strive for honesty and truth as we continue on our

[00:31:12] CMMC journey. So we're going to take a little bit of a break, right? But then another thing

[00:31:18] is, is if you have suggestions on topics or things that you would like us to really

[00:31:22] push on, let us know, message me on LinkedIn, hit us in the comments on some of the podcasts

[00:31:29] that we've done through whatever media that you happen to find us on. Those are huge

[00:31:34] helps for us. And then, you know, I haven't been really hitting the conference circuit

[00:31:38] this year as much just because of the fact that I've been so focused on us being

[00:31:42] ready to just be one of the first MSPs to get level two certified. But eventually next year,

[00:31:48] we should be hitting more of those conferences and we do if you see me in the hallways,

[00:31:51] grab me. I love to talk about CMMC and I'm always available to discuss anything at all.

[00:31:56] Yeah, great point. Great point. Well with that, I guess the only thing we have left to say is

[00:32:03] we'll see you in season two and keep on climbing. Bye guys. Make sure to follow us

[00:32:10] on LinkedIn and YouTube to stay up to date on the latest CMMC news. We hope you guys

[00:32:15] enjoyed today's episode and listen out for the next one, but until then, keep on climbing.