TWiT 1057: Ferret Trousering - Can Apple TV Fix the Broken World of Streaming Sports?

[00:00:00] It's time for TWiT This Week in Tech. Ashley Esketha is here. We'll see her newly remodeled studio and talk to her about gaming. Yanko Retkers is here. He's got the latest on the YouTube versus Disney dispute. And we'll talk with Ian Thompson, our friend formerly of the Register about his new life as a freelancer. That plus all the news, including Elon Musk's trillion dollar salary right after this.

[00:00:33] This is TWiT. This is TWiT. This Week in Tech, episode 1057, recorded Sunday, November 9th, 2025. Ferret Trousering. It's time for TWiT. This Week in Tech, the show we cover the week's tech news. Hello, everybody. I'm Leo Laporte and we have old friends joining us. I always like it. Well, I pretty much always have a friend.

[00:01:02] I hope old friends joining us because I get to choose. Ashley Esketha is here. Haven't seen Ashley since her remodel. Yes, finally. I don't have to make it look the way a media company says I have to. Now it's my office. She's living in the Haunted Mansion, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, it belongs to me. There are no windows and no doors. No, actually you're... There is a door right there. Yeah. For some reason, I feel like it's a phony, like it's a dummy door.

[00:01:31] It's a fake door. Yeah, it's a fake door that opens like a bookcase to another room, which then actually just makes it a door. It's actually just a real door. Isn't that remarkable? Well, you've invented something. CEO of Rowdy Skeleton and always welcome. It's nice to see you. Nice to be back. Ashley. Yanko Rekkers is also here. His newsletter is Lopass at Lopass.cc. He covers everything, including media. We've got some conversations about media today. So glad to have Yanko. Thanks for having us all. Welcome, sir. Yeah.

[00:02:00] And Ian Thompson, our dear friend from nowhere. Oh, please. I'm a transatlantic citizen. Now freelancer. Well, all freelancers here. And I like that. I like that. Welcome to the club, Ian. Marvelous. How long were you at the register? Ooh, 15 years and just over 5,000 articles. Oh, well. So yeah, I crunched the numbers and it was, I think for the last 22 years, I've done 2.6 articles a day.

[00:02:30] Sure. So it's nice to sort of slow things down and start new options. You're like Charles Schultz, the creator of Peanuts. You're just ready to stop now after all those posts. Well, not quite. I've got a newsletter and a podcast coming out. Oh, good. Nothing to compete with Twitter, of course. Oh, well, you'll have to tell us when that's official. So you can plug it anytime you wish. People can follow you on Blue Sky. That way they'll know. Yeah.

[00:02:56] Yeah. I-A-I-N-T-H-O-M-S-O-N. There's no P and there's an extra I. Just so you know. It is bizarre how often it gets said as Lane. And I've never yet met an American called Lane. Lane is here. Do not understand it at all. Lane's in town. I blame the lack of Sans Serif fonts. So, Elon Musk won $1 million. Everybody's favorite.

[00:03:22] That is one hell of a pay package. The shareholders approved it. I have to say, why wouldn't they? Because he's never gonna go anywhere near that, given the limitations, the requirements, right? Yeah. I mean, it was interesting that the Norwegian government hedge fund actually said, no, we're not gonna support this.

[00:03:44] But the terms and conditions of it, it's just, there's no possible way. I mean, Tesla's market share is dropping faster. I'm not gonna say that. That would be slightly rude. But Tesla's market share is not good. He's about as popular as pineapple on pizza. You can say it, Ian. You can say it. It's fine. Actually, it was a slightly off color thing. But no, I mean, Tesla's market share is failing. Optimus is still at the, we need human operators behind each one phase.

[00:04:12] It's just not gonna happen. It's a great attention getting headline, but you know, it's just, Elon at the moment, amongst Tesla buyers is about as popular as pineapple on pizza. And if any of you do like pineapple on pizza, then there are those, we can have a discussion. There are those, but it's a small number. Yeah.

[00:04:30] This is like telling my six year old, if you can eat an entire pan of broccoli, you can have a whole, I will give you this entire funfetti cake all to yourself. Like, great incentive. Great incentive. Nah, just not gonna happen. It would have to, Tesla to get the full trillion would have to get to a market valuation of 8.5 trillion. What's considering that NVIDIA just got to 4 trillion and it was like, wow. Yeah. That 8.5 seems fairly high.

[00:05:00] That he's got to have 20 million Teslas delivered, 10 million full self-driving subscriptions paid, a million Optimus bots. Good luck. A million driverless robo. You know what? Of course you're voting for this because it makes Elon feel good and it's never gonna happen. Yeah. This is just an ego stroke. It's just, yeah, I don't.

[00:05:27] But you don't, none of you think he's going to try anyway and mess up a whole bunch of things by putting more cards without lighters on the road? Oh, absolutely. He's gonna, sure. A hundred percent. A hundred. He's very incentivized. Yeah. Just because if I told my six year old that he would try to eat the whole train roughly and throw up all over my house. A hundred percent. It's going to be that, but like, yeah, no, it's going to be a total mess disaster.

[00:05:53] But I mean, geez, you know, they could put 1 million cyber trucks delivered and that still wouldn't even have had, I think that wouldn't even have happened at this point. So, well, I mean, they're reduced to buying their own cyber trucks just to try and keep, you know, keep, keep inventory flowing. The robotaxi one I thought was hilarious, given the fact that some people in San Francisco and few, including a very ill-advised city supervisor, having an absolute panic attack because Waymo ran over a cat. Robotaxis have been involved in a significant number of accidents.

[00:06:20] And the idea that they're going to get a million of those on the street and not face massive lawsuits seems quite frankly farcical. Yeah. No, it's ridiculous. How many of you have in San Francisco, Leo? Three. Waymo has 300 robotaxis. It's like three to 500. It's not even, it's like almost nothing. And that's, that's the city. It's probably most prominent. They're everywhere. I mean, every third car is a Waymo. Yeah. So. 300. Yeah. I have to say they're very safe drivers though.

[00:06:49] I was in one recently and on a Saturday night in San Francisco. They do drive like a grandma. Yeah. Well, I mean, I was in one on Saturday night in San Francisco and they are safer than most of the drivers on the road. Well, that's what I would say, even with whatever, you know, flaws in the robotaxi, humans are the worst drivers by far of all the possibilities. Right? Oh, it's a definite layer eight problem there. Yeah. But robotaxi, you know, the whole robotaxi thing.

[00:07:16] I was speaking to Dan O'Dowell, who is just fanatically anti Tesla. And some of the stats of what they, what they did in Texas, for example, these things, they don't have LIDAR. The software is buggy as all hell. And I just don't see it happening. They are going to get drowned in lawsuits. Within the first thousand, there'll be so many lawsuits that it will just be over. Like, I mean, I just can't imagine a world in which they actually have a million in commercial operation.

[00:07:44] That is just, that isn't it. That's it. I agree with you. Farcical, literally farcical. Well, get ready because they want to move the robotaxi, obviously for fiscal reasons. They want to move it out fast. Decide San Francisco and Austin. It's going to Vegas, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, and Miami. Hmm. Tesla says we're going to have, we're going to cover half the U.S. population by the end of this year.

[00:08:12] Bear in mind though, this is a Musk deadline. You know, according to him, we were supposed to be on Mars in 2022. We were supposed to be on Mars. We were supposed to have full, like, Gen AI. We were supposed to have a full self-driving level five autonomy, like, five years ago. Just okay. Like, every time he says something now and makes some insane promise, I'm like, okay, Peanut. Like, good for you. Is that what you call your six-year-old also? He makes less insane promises, if I'm being honest.

[00:08:43] Who did that? Nobody. At the shareholder meeting, he must, said the company would be able to enable vehicle owners to text while the vehicle drives. Oh, that's good. We want that, don't we? We all want to be able to text while we're driving. Guess what, everybody? I already do. So. Do not. I live in LA. I live in LA. I literally am stopped in traffic. There's a lot of stop and go.

[00:09:09] Like, that is, that is literally, everyone just stopped and texting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I kind of like the Waymo scheme because you can actually download your own soundtrack when you're driving. Yeah, that's cool. That's fantastic. Because the Knight Rider theme was made for that. You know? Oh, man. I never thought of that. Now I'm going to do it the next time I'm in SF. Whatever that was. Yeah, man. Don't sing it too good, Leo. You're going to get a licensing hit on it. Sing it bad on purpose. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm doing. That's it.

[00:09:38] I'm singing the pan on purpose. I'll be right. That's the ticket. Uh, SpaceX is moving fast to become a cell phone company. They're now going to buy. So they bought a $17 billion worth of, uh, Spectrum from Echo Star, uh, in September. They've now announced they're going to buy another $2.6 billion of wireless Spectrum. I almost said worthless Spectrum. No, wireless Spectrum.

[00:10:05] Uh, they're going to trade SpaceX stock to Echo Star, which is Echo Star. Remember this goes back a ways. Echo Star, you might have covered this, Yonko. Was it was all this deal with T-Mobile and Sprint, and they were going to create their own cell phone company with Dish. So it would make it okay for T-Mobile and Sprint to merge because we wouldn't be losing a company. We'd be gaming a company. Yeah. Funny didn't happen, huh? Never. None of that. No, no.

[00:10:33] Uh, so now SpaceX can offer satellite connectivity to cell phones directly. Of course, the cell phones will have to be, you know, you have to have a system on the chip that does that. Um, iPhones can do it. Uh, T-Mobile. I'm a T-Mobile customer. I can use SpaceX as not a cell carrier, but at least for emergency texting while I'm driving. Um, Apple is working with Global Star, but Global Star, uh, is looking for a buyer.

[00:11:02] So may, and Elon really is hoping that Apple will sign up and, and use SpaceX as a cell carrier. That would be very interesting because when you consider the two companies, they're both huge control freaks. So, you know, the idea of those two working together, it's like cats and dogs living together. Tim Cook sitting in a tree, Tim, Elon Musk, KIS. I don't see it. No. Or peanut. I should call him peanut. Now on. Now on.

[00:11:31] Uh, speaking of space, Chinese astronauts are stuck, uh, in space after suspected damage to the return craft. Uh, they're on the, not our, not the ISS, but the Tiangong space station, uh, collision with space debris struck the spacecraft. They're supposed to come back in. Uh, that's not good. They've already been there for six months. Yeah. They've been there for half a year.

[00:12:01] I, this is how horror movies start. This is the, this is the, this is the plot of a new alien movie. And I, yeah, I would hate this. Like, this is also, Hey, just, we got to figure out better solutions for like orbital trash. Seems like a really good idea. We've got a big problem. Yeah. I mean, it's a really big issue. Meanwhile, we're launching more and more satellites up there. Every day. I was stunned to learn that, uh, the, uh, space starlink satellites one or two a day come down.

[00:12:31] Oh, really? Yeah. They burn up in the atmosphere. They're so, I guess, so cheap, relatively speaking to put up that they don't care. They don't mind. Well, I mean, I, I interviewed, um, Kessler, the guy that came up with the Kessler syndrome, which is a disaster scenario where everything breaks up and space becomes unusable. And he was actually quite complimentary about Starlink. He said, SpaceX are actually pretty good about maintaining enough propellant to deorbit as they need, but just the amount of stuff up there. I mean, what was it? Eight, nine years ago, the ISS got hit by a paint flake.

[00:13:00] It was traveling at 16,000 miles an hour. And yeah, it tore a chunk out of the cupola. It doesn't take much. Yeah. Uh, to add to the space junk, Russia has been testing it. Well, anti-satellite weapons, which blows satellites up in space. What could possibly, that's exactly the Kessler syndrome, isn't it? Seems like a great idea, except it isn't. It was, uh, it was the plot of, uh, Neil Stevenson's seven eaves, which was the moon got hit then broke up into pieces.

[00:13:29] And of course there's a chain reaction. And if this continues, Kessler said you could blot out the sun with all the debris in space and it would be the end of life on earth. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Maybe then we actually need some country to send up some bombs up there and... No, no, because they, no, that's not what... They make the treasure. Oh, yeah. Then they break them and then they go and they... What if we just need the biggest net... I'm just thinking out loud. Light them apart. Light them apart. What if we, uh, hmm...

[00:13:59] What if we found a way to like yeet them farther into space, out of our orbit? Or, uh, do what Elon's been doing, SpaceX has been doing, which is give them enough propellants so they can deorbit safely and burn up in the atmosphere. That's the right way to handle it. I thought you were gonna say make empty promises, but... A little bit of stromness. A little bit of stromness. Cure-ism points out that the Chinese astronauts are living the life up there, though. It's not so bad. They recently were able to install an oven allowing them to bake chicken.

[00:14:30] Listen, you gotta take the W's when you get them. You gotta get your dubs in. We can't get you home, but... You can have drumsticks. Dubs are for wings and dubs are for winds. Here they are, making wings in space. Wings in space. Look at them floating in there. Look at them floating in there. Look at them floating in there. Well, they have to have a special basket. Yeah, this is... Oh, delicious. Don't open that. Don't, don't... Oh! Don't, no! That's how xenomorphs can smell that. I just wanna put that on rare.

[00:14:58] you're attracting aliens i was gonna say they need a cat up there but i didn't what i didn't realize is that uh buffalo wings are popular in china so i guess this is a cross-cultural they are you know what for them so what if we're stuck in space we got wings chicken wings i mean to be fair i don't even have wings right now i'm now i want wings i don't know what that oh that's barbecue i don't oh man oh yeah i got some hey that looks pretty good but how long ago is it the pizza hut spent

[00:15:28] pizza up to the iss i think it was about 20 years ago say it's been a minute yeah i mean some pizza it took longer than well no that was domino so say it took longer than 30 minutes so it was free yeah but what do you tip the delivery delivery driver so much money yeah they just have an extra astronaut hey thanks buddy one astronaut on safe trip home what if they just leave it in front of the door and take a photo and then they should

[00:15:57] you left it outside what are you talking about yeah left it on your porch contact free delivery they'll even do it to the iss oh man all right well we wish the best for those poor guys uh stuck up there that's not i mean remember our own astronauts got stuck up there for a long time yeah uh yeah that that was a year yeah that it was nine months i think what was supposed to be they went up for a week and they ended up staying for nine months yeah yeah because i couldn't find the backsides with

[00:16:27] both hands and a torch when it comes to building the orbital craft but yes all right why can't that ever happen to like you know katy perry on blue world why is it always like good hard-working astronauts and not like lauren sanchez and katy perry like are you gonna be mean about them poor katy perry i'm just saying it would be nice if we could just keep her from making more music that's all i'm saying i i would be happy if they stopped calling themselves astronauts because they're

[00:16:54] not yeah they're not astronaut is a profession they're space tourists yeah space tourists you know it's funny how they the press uh press relations at amazon or blue origin responded by saying well they're doing work up there what what work exactly influencer work that's what they're doing they're doing influencers doing work space influencers fine yeah that can be your title but you are no astronaut uh by the way if

[00:17:19] you're an influencer youtube has lost its marbles uh they're removing windows 11 bypass to tutorials of course these are the these are the tutorials to show you how you can sign in with windows 11 without creating a microsoft account something that's not that hard to do we've talked about how to do it but youtube is saying it risks physical harm so we're pulling them down well this is benito we have

[00:17:47] a bunch of hands-on windows episodes about that so i gotta see if those are still around oh cyber cpu tech has been uh their channels actually at risk um content flagged and removed uh here's a cyber cpu tech here's a screenshot again the warning strike you received was issued based on a violation of harmful or dangerous content which prohibits content encourages or promotes behavior that encourages

[00:18:15] dangerous or illegal activities that risk serious physical harm or death you mean bypassing the windows microsoft account login is that risky i mean it says risk risky or illegal illegal i think it's probably more the illegal part and people get hung up on the risky part where i could see that being if i i'm not

[00:18:42] i know nothing about windows 11 so i'm the wrong person to talk to you but i don't even know if i would imagine well if it's a content protection that could i don't think i don't think they're claiming that i think yeah the the wording of this is really particular which is i would understand if they said encourages dangerous activities that risk serious physical harm or death or illegal activity

[00:19:05] but they're saying that it's harmful or dangerous content uh that encourages dangerous or illegal activities that feels like serious harm physical harm or death which they're trying to lump both of those in as it's illegal and it causes harm or death it's like very strange they did restore they did they did restore the a couple of the channels saying it was automation not ai they were very quick to say

[00:19:29] it wasn't ai it was automation i'm not sure what the distinction is um but automated takedowns this is we've talked about this before this is kind of part of the problem of youtube but then uh you see that but then you also see the fact that meta has done nothing to take down fraudulent uh videos or schemes or scams in fact internally according to a whistleblower they projected 10 of their revenue 16 billion

[00:19:59] dollars came from fraudulent ads fake products i'd be surprised if it's that low to be honest yeah i agree that seems slow reuters uh cited an internal document which estimated that meta shows 15 billion ads a month 15 billion ads a month that show clear signs of promoting fraud of some kind now they so this is the this this is the yin and yang you could be overzealous like youtube pull stuff down that's not

[00:20:29] fraudulent or even risky or you can be like meta and be very lenient and then you get this of course it doesn't help that meta makes money on yeah this is see this is that problem where it's like the line item of you know either lawsuits or you know risk basically that the financial risk for them to have these ads up there is like it's much lower than the money they're making from actually selling

[00:20:55] these ads so it's a line item for them they said oh 10 so overly inclusive this is their own internal report by the way it turns out meta has a rule this is the problem the team that vets advertisers can't block ads if doing so would cost meta more than 0.15 of its revenue there's a rule it's a line yeah it's it's line item oh that's gonna cost us you better let that through we're making too much

[00:21:21] money on that meta also said uh that's not a hard limit it's a number i read the whole reuters story and it's kind of bonkers there's also parts in where they so they realize that it's a problem and so they had teams on it at one point they put up a dashboard with like the scammiest scammers highlighting accounts that had really scamming and then some of those uh accounts with these really scammy ads that showed up in their in their charts essentially for being the scammiest scammers

[00:21:49] address we're still up for multiple months and not taken down because somehow those efforts were not connected or whatever they're making money on it i guess every time i log into facebook marketplace to like try to source something locally that i don't want to buy new i see inevitably every time there's at least a good handful of sponsored ads that are very clearly ai generated product images that cannot either cannot possibly be real or are um you know it's like it started with all the

[00:22:18] photoshopping with like the celebrities with the t-shirts where they're like that celebrity like didn't you know they're not actually endorsing this t-shirt company but they're just slapping celebrities like holding up a shirt or whatever here from uh here from the reuters story are three examples uh american help sponsored paid for by american assistance group the government is giving out 710 to all americans claim your 710 tariff relief obviously bogus yeah um

[00:22:48] elon musk holding up a sign that says hey it's me i have a gift for you text me done people hold up a sign it's always a good thing it's always real i don't know why what the done part is for but anyway um here's here's one that's actually saying that's what you need to text him you need to text done too oh you text him done yeah maybe i'm done elon okay here's a million dollars did you here's one that actually says we're gonna help you

[00:23:18] if you've been scammed cyber crime experts can advise you this is evil it's the anti-fraud lawyer team oh man just like the avengers uh he's got the uh the statue of justice blindfolded holding the scales behind him he must be real stand up against deception hold your uphold your rights but it's deceptive it itself is deceptive a free consultation so uh wow and and i can i could but see i think i'm not

[00:23:48] sure i fully blame um meta for this because we just had a story about how you can be overzealous as well so and when one of these examples with the government is giving you all this money that just reminds you of all the junk mail that you get from people promising you mortgage relief or whatever it's always related to some government initiative that doesn't exist so the scams have been allowed for a

[00:24:13] long time the question is whether now that they're online a company like matter can do more and possibly probably yes but it is a balance you're right and mccormick is not offering a coaster with a set of your favorite mccormick spices for ten dollars mccormick said no that's not us what i'm upset i'm not gonna get that in the mail i paid good ten good dollars for that i gotta point out that

[00:24:38] i i don't know how you distinguish this from a fraudulent ad this is right i mean i could see internet savvy especially i mean if you're just a regular person you know like my this looks real using yeah it looks real of course yeah if you get a handy stand with ready-made spices for your dish it's ideal for cooking or as a cute gift a taste of tradition in every jar don't miss it and then just shop now button but it's not real mccormick said no that's that's not i mean anybody who has

[00:25:06] bought spices in recent months will know that that's not real because that's not what should cost anymore the price of spices ten dollars for that yeah have you tried to buy vanilla it says it's a coaster and it those might be really tiny bottles there are apothecary bottles that are one in time it's a dollhouse airplane liquor bottles or something yeah but i mean they're never going to make a serious attempt to crack down on this until there are fines which make a difference you know i

[00:25:36] mean say i don't know the f the fcc or the ftc fines maybe a meta 150 million or something that's money down the back of the sofa for them right so you know until you start finding companies based on revenue rather than profit then that's never going to change a british regulator last year said it found meta's products were involved in 54 percent of all payment related scam losses in 2023 double all the

[00:26:02] other social media platforms combined yeah i mean they they have no interest in cracking down on it one meta spokesperson said well the way we handle this is by charging scammy ads more that really discourages them oh boy what wow okay that's that's how you uh okay yeah rather than voluntary strategy reuters goes on to say rather than voluntarily agreeing to do more to vet advertisers

[00:26:31] the same document states the company's leadership decided to act only in response to impending regulatory action they did it till they couldn't get away with it anymore yeah that's basically how it goes yeah yeah i mean it's not to say that meta is alone in this by any manner of means there are plenty of tech companies to play this game you know it's um but they are another one probably the worst

[00:26:57] roblox is uh is being sued right now as well yeah this is very very similar but just a different um much sadder and upsetting series of stories after kids yeah let's say it's just a it's that's a that's a very frustrating uh that's a very frustrating story to like follow and cover texas is suing roblox uh actually this is more serious not for uh document fraud but because uh they're allowing they haven't

[00:27:24] stopped people from endangering children deceiving parents and profiting from a digital playground that conceals predators and a manipulative psychological design beside behind a facade of family fun do you do your six-year-old's too young to be a robloxer i would he will never be a robloxer yeah that is actually it's not allowed in our house that's responsible parenting yeah not having played with it seems pretty interesting and cool because the kid is encouraged to create their own games and design

[00:27:53] their own it seems like in many ways a well-meaning platform yeah but all well-meaning platforms unfortunately when children are such a big part of your base and it also is a platform in which um it is a social media platform if we consider it if we consider it what it actually is i argue and i think a lot of other people who have studied roblox and other games like it i would argue it is a social media platform a lot of kids spend all their time in roblox with their friends very

[00:28:21] similar to fortnite for example like i i have argued on a few occasions that fortnite is also a social media platform it's an interactive social media platform but a social media platform it is and i think when you do not have the levers in place to protect your most vulnerable user um and and in this case is you know kids as young as three to five i mean i've seen i've seen small children at my son's

[00:28:49] karate dojo who they're they're too young to do karate and they're on roblox on an ipad and it's just it's it is you have a responsibility to protect those users in my opinion and unfortunately we don't regulate these companies you know at a at a legal level we don't force them to do it and so what ends up happening is is kids get hurt and then they are forced to do it in some capacity whether it's you

[00:29:19] know the bare minimum or more than that or whatever it is it happens when they get sued so someone has already been harmed here right and and that is that is a problem for me like if you're not proactive about protecting literal children then i like what are you even doing like i guess but but again this is like the same thing as facebook not really going after scammers because it's like it affects their

[00:29:42] bottom line it affects their you know daily active users it affects their time spent in game it affects all of those things that then affect their bottom line and so it's it's a line item to them the settlements from these lawsuits are often a line item to companies like this and it's it's really disappointing and and extremely stressful as a parent um to know that type of stuff and also just societally like it's upsetting to know that like sometimes we are just uh you know harm that is done

[00:30:11] to us as a customer is just a line item in these like corporations ledgers and it's just really disappointing texas uh says in the lawsuit in its own uh its own in-game currency robux obscures real world costs encourages compulsive purchase and provides leverage for predators to hunt and abuse children rather than being lured by candy modern day predators have lured children with robux do you think that's

[00:30:40] actually going on there's a here yeah 100 that's appalling this is it's you know send send these types of pictures to me and i will give you some robux don't tell your parents that i'm doing this it's you know it it happens it it was happening leo like you remember aol chat rooms were like yeah it was happening there like it was happening there this is again like to to your point earlier um

[00:31:04] we it is yonko's point earlier it is all about you know a modernization of of grooming it's this is just the next scams have always existed throughout time yeah before the internet was invented like all of it has already existed it's just supercharged now that more people now have access to more people what about the argument in the case of robux and of meta that when these platforms get so big it's

[00:31:31] almost impossible to police them it's possible to police them it just takes money that the companies aren't willing to spend and techniques which might cut into their market share slightly and i think that's something that which really needs to be stressed is that you can fix these problems in a vast majority of cases just with some fairly simple tweaks but it costs money and it will cost them you know it'll make it slightly hard for people to log on and you know sales teams are not going to allow

[00:31:57] that to happen i think i think you gotta acknowledge kind of both right it's it's impossible to completely solve these issues but they could always do better yes and if they just did a little better it would improve the lives or in some cases save lives even of a lot of people i'm sure that's what the courts are going to decide is is roblox doing do it robux roblox doing enough yeah texas calls it a multi-billion

[00:32:22] dollar digital hellscape that preys on innocence under the banner of play yikes i just yeah i i to that last bit i think younger you're absolutely right it's it's not that you'll ever completely eradicate it but that isn't an excuse to not do anything until you're forced to responds we are disappointed that rather than working collaboratively live collaboratively with roblox on this industry-wide

[00:32:49] challenge and seeking real solutions the attorney general has chosen to file a lawsuit based on misrepresentations and sensationalized claims we have introduced over 145 safety measures on the platform this year alone and i would argue if we looked into it i would maybe bet on the fact that many of them were implemented because of previous legal again like meta yeah we don't do anything as long as we make money until we get totally have to do something all right i want to

[00:33:19] take a little break uh maybe the solution is to ban social media for young people it's happening in australia in just a few weeks and it's about to happen in denmark uh and perhaps elsewhere maybe even here and we'll talk about particularly ironic considering denmark's attitude to privacy recently with the uh with jack control right they propose jack control yeah well i wonder if it's all from that it seems

[00:33:43] yeah but it sounds like it's a it's of a piece like this is there's a attitude any anti-online attitude maybe yeah um anyway we'll talk about that just a little bit also uh yanko has some uh i just think insight into what's going on with youtube and disney he says sports streaming is a fragmented hot mess

[00:34:06] we'll talk about that that's good luck true facts that's yeah yanko knows what's up yanko knows uh exactly what's going yanko knows he knows poob has it for you right poob's got it it's on poob all right we're gonna take i'll explain that as well if you don't know what i'm talking about in just a bit great great great panel yanko records is here lowpass.cc is his newsletter

[00:34:32] uh we also have ian thompson uh late of the register now uh now footloose and fancy free and you just you just interviewed who i'm excited doctor oh yeah our good friend cory about his new book which is selling like crazy i well this is what i was talking to him about two and a half thousand word feature on can we say in shittification oops i did you can because it's uh it's a real word now in the dictionary yes yes and miriam webster it's not only in the dictionary uh i mean there are lots

[00:35:02] of words with bad words in the middle but doesn't make them bad words does it no i don't think so i mean i mean i can drink a cocktail i wouldn't want to suck it down but i could drink it so i think we can say in shittification we do have a host that insists on calling it certification but i think that confuses people yeah and it is in fact the name of the book so i think yes yeah and good good on cory of course a regular on this show we talked with him not so

[00:35:31] long ago about the book which was about to come out at the time he's on book tour right just headed over to europe with it yeah yeah yeah glad you got a chance to talk to him where's that interview going to show up uh be in pc pro the in december awesome i will look for it and ashley esketha who also we're all freelancers now none of us worked for a big company we all did no more nine to fives for me thank you don't we like that i i don't think i can go back i think it'd be it

[00:36:01] i'd have to be for a dream job that's like a dream or true dream job maybe i would think about it but um yeah it's nice you know when i worked in radio uh every segment had to be seven minutes and 45 seconds long and you know there were there were morality clauses and all sorts of things you couldn't do if the sponsors would get upset and i just like not having to worry about that and i can say things

[00:36:25] like suck a cocktail and nobody's gonna yell at me except my wife you might hear from lisa you're in fact she is your fcc she's your personal fcc yeah no it's true i told patrick norton it's gonna be nice not to work for the man and patrick who was my partner at tech tv said leo there's always a man in this case it's a woman but it's lisa yeah lisa there's always a man there's

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[00:41:22] so uh last monday sorry did somebody want to say something oh i was just gonna say you haven't seen the grand prix yet no okay it's an absolute stonker get on there i watched the show's over i watched the sprint yesterday and that was wild and i watched the first 17 laps of brazil this morning but i haven't seen the finish well let's just say that the top the three people on the podium really deserve to be there and i won't oh i can't wait out there it's getting exciting because

[00:41:51] we've got both mclarens are are very close to winning the championship but it's anybody's game poor old max poor old max had a bad uh day yesterday but we'll see you know yeah that's like i say no spoilers never give up on max anyway i'm sorry with the f1 talk we ian and i have bonded over formula what do you think of um speaking of streaming what do you think of

[00:42:15] apple buying f1 rights in the us um well first of all let me ask are you a crofty fan or do you watch f1 tv uh if martin brundle's on then i'll watch the international stream um if not then i'll listen to the f1 tv stream yeah um particularly a crofty fan particularly but you like he's great but he's crofty can't carry the show the show on his own you need a racing driver

[00:42:42] along there with him to actually you know give a decent my favorite is your is your fellow countryman david clothard on the uh yes dc is marvelous he's when he's not when he's on i will must watch it anyway but i mean i'm hoping that all of this team will be preserved because apple has bought the rights from es espn had them for a long time didn't do f1 justice at all they were even putting ads in

[00:43:07] the middle of the race which is nuts yeah um so you like i subscribe to f1 tv their liberty media's streaming solution but apple convinced liberty to give that up in the us yeah and apple's going to be in charge of not only putting it on apple tv instead of espn but of streaming of a streaming i presume a streaming service or something yeah i mean basically there's a little concern in the f1 community sorry about this other uh actually yeah you must cover this i love this i like yeah this

[00:43:36] is like very fascinating i love the business of television so this is like very fascinating to me so espn was paying i think 50 60 million a year uh or no was it a year no it wasn't even a year it was uh they were getting it for peanuts um 20 a year for three years or something like that apple has ponied up 750 million dollars not to mention 300 million to do the f1 film to promote their involvement with it

[00:44:01] right um you know so there's a little concern amongst the community that apple are basically going to take it over and jack up the prices year by year whereas f1 tv has actually been fairly stable in pricing um and also nobody trusts apple i'm sorry they're no longer the cuddly company that people remember from 20 years ago these are ruthless when it comes to ringing the last scent out of every possible consumer and i i've never subscribed to apple tv i guess i'm going to have

[00:44:28] to you have to if you're a fan in the us you're going to have to subscribe yeah it's either that or you know ah it's time to pirate but i don't do that anymore because i just want to mention expressvpn our fine sponsor will let you go to britain yeah and why but even then you've got to pay sky tv to get that oh so you know it's you're screwed either way i'm afraid yeah we'll see how they really loved i i loved the streaming service uh f1 tv streaming service because not only did you have a choice of

[00:44:55] whether you'd watch crofty do the sky broadcast or the international f1 tv team which i really like so you could choose your announcers but you also had access to all the driver cameras all the driver radios and in fact i've been using on the mac there's a really great program called f1 viewer that uses your streaming subscription and opens up a bunch of windows so you can you could if you

[00:45:20] want go crazy and and on my big screen i do that watch all of the cameras and everything and there's also a data view there's a race track view it is amazing and for about a hot minute somebody made a vision pro app that would do that now the hope for vision pro owners is that maybe apple has purchased this and will incorporate it i mean yeah i mean i would i would actually i am such a fan i would buy

[00:45:47] a vision pro just to watch that well the driver cam thing's really interesting because each of the circuits do their own tv production some of them are lousy at it some of them are terrible it's just like cut away is something exciting is happening and yeah and then now let's look at the driver's girlfriend where just when he's about oh you know what they'll overtake they must have heard the criticism because the last two races there's not been one shot of a driver girlfriend they raced before

[00:46:11] it it was at least a dozen they kept showing because they all date models so they're attractive like famous yeah but they didn't do it well they were hoping for the taylor swift effect you know they were you know what that's what it was oh my god you're right it was so it's been so good for the nfl i didn't even think of that but you're exactly that's why there was suddenly all those girlfriend pictures

[00:46:37] uh so what do you think and well well what do you think will apple uh people okay hardcore formula one fans will transfer to apple because we have you know we have no choice you know there's there's a you know there's an addiction to be fed there um i think it could be quite handy in bringing new fans into the sport but there is going to be a significant number of people who will choose to pirate if apple jack the price is up too much so it's that age-old thing between don't rip customers off and they'll

[00:47:04] stay the legitimate service if you do rip them off then they'll pirate and you know it's i much prefer having a legitimate service i mean i was happy to pay for f1 tv which did go up i think it was 150 bucks for the oh you went full premium uh right yeah full premium cannot well let me also just as a as a pop culture idiot who can't get enough uh let me just let me just sell you f1 fans on apple

[00:47:33] tv because everyone's missing out on apple tv who doesn't have a subscription here's why we're going to talk about pluribus later okay first of all you got a lot of great sci-fi happening on on apple tv you got foundation for all mankind you got pluribus now this is vince gilligan's new show this is the guy who created breaking bad it's amazing you've got severance like there are please if you're not if you love good television and you do not have an apple tv subscription what are

[00:48:01] you doing with your life okay because there's so much good television slow horses may be the best show on tv right now it's so good and like there's just so much good television happening over there it is the new hbo when plepler was at hbo it is the new it is that it is that they're developing interesting yes yes it's now we have zazzle out's hbo i don't want that no i want i want whatever this is happening over at apple tv which is like these shows are extremely high quality they're very very

[00:48:28] good apple's putting a lot of money into them and i really hope i genuinely hope that buying f1 brings more people into the the television ecosystem the narrative like storytelling and fiction ecosystem of apple tv because it is very very high quality and so many people are missing out on it one of the advantages apple has is they don't have to make money on apple tv no they want to sell you on the apple one subscription yes that's it i pay for yeah i pay for that too

[00:48:56] yeah yeah because you get a lot it's a good deal stuff yeah yeah yanko you haven't said a word here you're from germany so i thought maybe you'd be a you know michael schumacher fan and not a big familiar one thing i actually did just look at the the coverage to just like refresh my memory on that deal with apple and it does sound like they will offer some stuff for free and like all practice sessions for free in front of the paywall so ian to your point it could be that it actually brings in

[00:49:23] more people who maybe never watched espn because they don't watch regular tv anymore or maybe they they didn't subscribe to uh the f1 streaming service yeah i'll watch some f1 i'm interested in it based on um drive to survive like i liked that that's what did it by the way i'm very curious about i'm like i'm like i'm totally i will watch it now that i have i don't want to subscribe to another service and so now that i already have a service i'm subscribed to i'll totally check it out

[00:49:51] like i'm very interested in checking with the drone with f1 in the us is that all the races are in the middle of the night yeah yeah exactly it's not the best time you gotta stay up but you can't put an ad in between you know it's two hours and you cannot put an ad it's worse than soccer your football right because you can't put an ad in there meanwhile american sports like baseball and nfl you know football are made for tv ads right because they're taking breaks every like 30 seconds

[00:50:21] like you designed it for that right there's only 11 minutes of action in an nfl football game which means there's about two hours of ads it was designed it was created here in america so that's like uh commercials in mind already i mean to actually to actually's point the drive to survive effect is very real it's huge in 2008 the first year i came over here i met up with the san francisco formula one club and we went down to a bar in the tenderloin at nine o'clock on a sunday morning to

[00:50:50] watch the brazilian grand prix and there were like two dozen of us there and after lewis won we got very very drunk uh now the last time i went to see uh went to an sf f1 you know event there was the entire hub was rammed out and this was after drive to survive came and there was a queue going down the block for people waiting to get drinks and a lot of very disgruntled people having their partners explain to them the ins and outs of tower strategy and the rest of it but the drive to survive effect is real

[00:51:20] and the more fans the better to be honest i kind of miss the old days when it was slightly more of a sort of niche thing but hey you know if more people get excited by it sounds good to me so the only thing that worries me is apple spent a lot of money on major league soccer mls uh they've been running uh baseball games on friday night and in in and in both cases we had high hopes that apple would use its technology chops to make this you know somehow better a lot more data or whatever and in both

[00:51:48] cases no they haven't really done anything except bug me with ads for games i don't want to see um but there is an opportunity because there is no more highly technological sport than formula one racing and there is they have terabytes of data a second coming off of those cars and there's a huge opportunity plus with the vision pro this could be you know they could they could have you know

[00:52:13] spatial views of first person spatial view from within the car like yeah for sure it would make them sick i mean but i mean it's cool if they didn't invest much for the millions of people who have apple tv i don't think they will invest a whole lot for the what 200 000 people who have a vision pro or something like that yeah it sells products i mean it makes this product which has been frankly laggard has not really been taking off it gives it maybe some hope

[00:52:41] for the future i don't know it's a small that's a little tiny piece of a pie though i mean it's just like a little bonus i've just realized i'm wearing a san francisco 49ers shirt you're wearing a city of los angeles t-shirt actually yes i obviously bought in japan by the way oh i like it i like it now but yanko what are you wearing oh this is wormbo yeah it's uh from this youtube show that i watch it's called summer news people who

[00:53:08] like news shows that i sort of like wormbo okay and my favorite new streaming service off-brand uh muppet without being a officially licensed it kind of looks like yeah he's yeah and he's like the weird sidekick that everybody hates it's it's a great show i can highly recommend it is it w a r m b o oh you don't need to google the name of the guy of the character because it's just some more news on

[00:53:35] youtube and there you go okay yeah and it's like it's definitely a has a leftist bend to it but there's a a scary puppet exactly yeah hello there okay warmbo i love it i love it that you're showing uh the flag for your favorite creator right that's a good thing i like that now let's talk about youtube tv

[00:54:00] which is distinct from youtube youtube tv is their cable basically cable channel yeah in fact when i got when when we moved we got rid of comcast cable tv and we subscribed to youtube because it's got a dvr built in it's got all the same channels i can watch monday night oh no i can't watch monday night football because they are recently yeah so this is this is we've seen these carriage disputes before this

[00:54:29] happened it's even happened before with disney and youtube tv where you know disney on all of its channels they have abc they have espn they i mean they own a ton of stuff will put up things saying youtube tv is ripping you off in two days you're not going to be able to watch your shows and you know call youtube tv and then youtube tv says oh the disney people are creeps and so this battle has gone on but

[00:54:56] normally these are resolved before the big game uh yeah it's it's interesting because i mean these things happened even before streaming right so it used to be cable companies would fight with tv network and it was about the price of what they had to pay and back in those days ultimately the networks always won because they had all the good stuff they had the games that people wanted to watch they had the shows that people want to watch

[00:55:20] and then if you paid comcast 80 bucks 100 bucks a month and they didn't deliver it you got really mad at them and then eventually concast had to cave now it's sort of different because people are getting so much of that stuff elsewhere so with disney people subscribe to disney plus so they have access to all the kids stuff on disney plus they have access to the marvel stuff on disney plus then sports

[00:55:44] there's so many more options to watch sports now right so the big pay tv bundle isn't the only thing in town anymore and that really changes sort of the dynamics and plus you're now dealing with companies like google who are in everybody's business with all kinds of different things so suddenly and i don't think there has been an official confirmation yet but recently suddenly movies anywhere didn't stop working for youtube server for google services so movies anywhere is a disney service that's kind

[00:56:13] of like a locker in the cloud you can buy a blu-ray disc of a movie of a marvel movie and then you can unlock the online version to stream it to your ipad or all these types of things and it's like an industry-wide consortium multiple companies involved if i buy a movie on youtube i can then go to my movies anywhere app from disney and i can watch it there and vice versa and now suddenly google pulled

[00:56:40] out and said the stuff is not working anymore all the stuff that you bought on on on uh youtube before it doesn't show up there anymore and and so forth yeah movies anywhere even works with apple uh apple's movies which is kind of amazing right so i have 169 movies and movies anywhere bought in a variety of different services but you're saying the stuff i bought on google's play store is no longer going

[00:57:04] to be available to me um you would have to check that's terrible unfortunately i don't ever buy anything on the play store but if i had i'd be upset right right right yeah wow and and so google has a lot more power now the power dynamics have shifted where the networks aren't as important anymore and card cutting obviously the overall numbers of pay tv subscriptions have gone down significantly as well

[00:57:32] the espn has its own streaming service espn has true streaming services actually which get really confusing and during this uh during this conflict right now because people are like well i'm paying for espn plus shouldn't i be able to watch this game and then oh no actually you have to subscribe to espn unlimited or whatever it's called worse than that because i pay for youtube tv's sunday ticket which is very pricey

[00:57:59] and in theory gives you all the games but we're not and fortunately abc and uh and uh the other and espn only broadcast a handful of games monday night football is the one that we're really missing that's an espn game yeah lisa says okay let's pay for espn but that means now i'm going to have two 200

[00:58:22] subscriptions yeah yeah this is not good the issue with all of this is that pay tv or this industry has worked for the longest time with these big bundles so that you as a consumer had to buy these big bundles leo you have to pay like 80 bucks for youtube tv but google has to buy these bundles too when they do business with disney disney says oh you want to espn well great why don't you also get

[00:58:48] disney xd and abc channel 17 or whatever like package of 20 some channels most of which get very little viewing but they had to get it and they had to like bundle it all and put it all there's even like things we where you can't offer bundles without espn to a certain number of customers you have to like

[00:59:13] x percent of your total audience have to have a bundle that has espn in it otherwise you won't get espn and these types of things have contributed to this really expensive cable bundles and now you know online pay tv bundles but it's increasingly unsustainable for everybody involved unfortunately the the one thing that the reason why it was like that for so long is because you have

[00:59:37] to espn is basically a huge money maker and it subsidizes even in the cable tv era before youtube existed it's like sports really does uh for cable sports really does subsidize a lot of that other content right it's just you know you don't have a game show network if it can't be bundled with it with a youtube you know sorry with that with a espn nobody would pay for you game show tv

[01:00:04] but i'm a freak of nature who would pay for game game show network and the flip side of that was that everybody was basically forking over eight dollars or something a month to disney for espn even though only half of the country was watching was watching right exactly yes i don't watch sports almost at all but when i subscribe to these things for these other channels like i am in fact paying a large chunk

[01:00:29] of my subscription for espn so espn is the most expensive cable channel out there i think it's the last time i checked was 13.95 per subscriber so it was very very expensive because it's got csp live football live sports and live sports is one of the few things in this streaming this streaming world of ours that still drive traffic it's a guaranteed constant revenue make

[01:00:54] it's a revenue generator which is why apple tv and netflix and amazon are all putting live sports on their streamers because that drives traffic the difference as you point out yeah go here is that disney abc espn have their own streaming services they compete directly head to head with youtube tv does this are we going to go back to unbundling now or am i going to have to subscribe to five different

[01:01:20] services because what it was the promise of youtube tv or uh by the way there's also uh fubu which is an abc espn disney owner owned thing uh i think they may want us to buy fubu instead of youtube tv right because fubu has locals they also own hulu which has locals well they're spinning down hulu they're good they're they're they're that's getting yeah that's that's are they replacing hulu with fubu no

[01:01:48] i think they're just rolling all of it into disney disney plus i think it's just now i'm gonna have to mention the tumblr post from orc boxer that goes a little like this in fact i i thank paris martineau because i had never heard of this until wednesday and she told me about this on intelligent machines have you seen the new show it's on tubu it's literally on hebe it's on poody with ads it's literally on dippy you could probably find it on weno dude it's on gumpy it's a fibo original it's on

[01:02:15] poob you can watch it on poop you can go to poop and watch it log on to poop right now go to poop dive into poop you can poop it it's on poop poop has it for you poop has it for you this was this is an old post but it's become more true more true over the years every day it's crazy so no hulu doesn't have it anymore well they won't have an app they're still gonna exist but the app is being phased out

[01:02:42] into disney plus by next year by 2026. i think consumers are gonna revolt right i don't think so because here's the thing like how much did we pay for cable when we had it before before youtube 130 dollars a month for everything do you know how much youtube tv is it's 75 85 bucks it keeps going up 95 bucks still cheaper than a traditional cable package well no because i still have to buy internet

[01:03:09] well that's true that's true but you here at this point i think internet is basically like you're not buying internet for street for television like you're not necessarily you're but youtube also is it's it's own search platform that has a myriad of other types of content on it like you're not just getting a cable package you're also getting like a vast amount of information and entertainment

[01:03:34] that would not exist on cable if we did not have youtube so i like i go back and forth on this because do i think anybody should be paying like a hundred dollars for you know a streaming bundle like because we're basically back at cable we're going back to that yeah yeah no but also i do understand that making content costs money and like and i i have so many friends who are writers and below the line

[01:04:01] crew people who are out of work because the cost because because consumers are demanding that this cost stay very low and so we there is no money for production i mean i can't tell you how many articles are in the la times and in all of our local papers here in la about how our industry has just been completely decimated by you know two two things one this sort of like huge expansion of uh you know

[01:04:30] more traditional golden age of television time which was like the sopranos to basically the end of game of thrones like us kind of like right in there it's up to season five yeah i was gonna say but that even but that even employed the quality quality agnostic quality agnostic the golden age of television for the industry was that there were so much work available to everybody

[01:04:56] it was and then all of a sudden we went to instead of 16 episode seasons we're now down to eight yeah we're now hiring not a writer's room we're hiring a maybe three people to write a season of television sometimes only one and so the the the amount of jobs and this goes all the way down like people don't realize they think of oh well i'm sorry like some rich network star isn't working as much like it's not those people for every

[01:05:25] one of those for every one of those people there's a hundred people who work in craft services who are our pas who are literally just making ends meet because they're getting paid minimum wage or a little bit more if they're in a union like fortunately we have lighting and rigging people cinematographers producers like all these people who work on a production i mean you you know what the credits look like from an avengers movie

[01:05:51] like that's and it's like all those people are out of work and it's like the the expectation of the viewer for the quality of content that they demand that costs money and it costs money to give people that experience and we talk a lot about how frustrated viewers are about things like sequels

[01:06:15] and and remakes but the thing is is like or like how the visual effects of uh let's say the a more recent marvel movie might not look as good as one from like five to ten years ago and it's like that's because less people are working to make an equal an equal amount of work like the it's a lot of work and they're being a less people are being asked to do those jobs and they're just being absolutely crushed

[01:06:40] by being overworked underpaid and a lot of people just aren't working they're straight up leaving the industry like you actually i'm a creator and i know a lot of those people but i wonder if the rest of the country cares that much i mean they don't they don't and the thing is is like a lot of people think of hollywood as like a very fancy rich people privileged job but like this industry is built on

[01:07:02] blue collar like people who work their bodies to the bone carrying keno lights that are the size of like they're humongous they're hanging lights they're they're literally doing all of these things they're spending you know time away from their families to shoot in remote locations for months at a time often in like harsh conditions like not every television show is a three camera sitcom that

[01:07:28] is a nine to five and even those jobs aren't nine to fives for below the line people yanko you quote in your lowpass.cc newsletter which got republished on the verge uh jj watt football star who said enough it's just frustrating he he was trying to watch the money light football game and he couldn't like me like my wife we couldn't we couldn't and um i think he might in a way be the voice of of the country

[01:07:57] that isn't there a risk that people just say oh screw it i'm just going to watch youtube i mean there's always that risk for sure i think it's sort of a weird thing because in the same story i mentioned that actually sports is getting more popular so there's more people self-identifying as sport fans than even five years ago has gone up significantly and some of that has to do with stuff becoming more available right so you can now watch different things in front of in front of

[01:08:24] the paywall uh there's multiple streaming services there's some stuff on apple there's some stuff on netflix and if you're a casual sports fan it's actually a really good time because if you just like care about hanging out with some buddies and watching something yeah if you don't care what you're watching exactly but if you're a hardcore fan it's gonna be really really difficult and and to go back to like uh actually brought a good up good points why it's hard to always find like the boogeyman there but if you want to find a good boogeyman like one area to look at is possibly the leaks

[01:08:53] which have been like really slicing and dicing these these rights up and why is there an nfl game in brazil once a year well you can sell that if you already sell the domestic rights they were in berlin this morning on there and then yeah it's that you have more stuff to sell yeah janko knows what's up subscribe to his newsletter everybody thank you all past us yeah it's frustrating for everybody

[01:09:18] involved and it's hard it is hard to find a boogeyman i don't i think uh the problem is you've got these behemoths fighting each other except somebody pointed out it really isn't a fair fight disney disney's market cap is what 40 or 50 billion google's market cap is in the trillions they are not equals we might kind of think of them as equals they're not now well we've also got larry ellison jr

[01:09:44] entering the game and you know what that means everyone's prices are going to go through the roof so you know it's like if he's learned at his daddy's knee then we're all screwed on that front so his sky dance has already bought paramount cbs and is now looking to buy uh warner brothers warner discovery well no i think isn't it just warner brothers now because they split those like it's unclear the plans as last plan was to split it but i don't think it's happened yet right

[01:10:12] it hasn't happened okay man they might be completely on the block they might split it up because there's also other companies in there like netflix is looking at it and netflix wouldn't want to own a cable network they don't care about that yeah they don't really care about that but they'd be interested in the catalog yeah the catalog for warner brothers is vast so i would imagine they would be very interested so we're this is we've seen this happen so many times before in the internet era this is the disintermediation part where everything is just kind of crazy nobody's happy

[01:10:42] janko how's it gonna how's it gonna resolve do you have any do you have a crystal ball do you know i wish um i don't know to be quite honest i mean it's it's also really hard to predict because all of these things going on still need to account for what actually the consumers are going to do and how they're going to respond to all of it and suggest the rise of youtube proper not even talking about youtube tv yeah youtube proper is now the biggest media distribution company basically in

[01:11:10] the us when it comes to television stuff that gets watched on tv screens they're bigger than than disney with disney plus and hulu and espn and all the cable networks combined it's just because people are on youtube so much and watch so many things on youtube movies uh youtube originals or like youtube uh creator shows but also like obviously stuff that ended up there one way or another people just

[01:11:38] watch a ton of youtube these days so in a way all of this may be moot at some point because people are going to find ways to watch it anyway somewhere else or just going to switch to other types of programming and i think that's what's interesting about the sports number two like the number of sports fans going up uh somebody on the verge where that got uh syndicated pointed out has maybe also to do with sports betting getting more popular that could be it but i think it's also that people are falling in love with new

[01:12:07] types of sports so and and not entirely new types of sports but one example for that is the rise of the wnba right so came sort of got really really popular it didn't come out of nowhere obviously people the wnba has been around for a long time but it's gotten really popular in just recent years and then there's other sports that are like still sort of bubbling below the surface that could like pop up and maybe get distributed completely differently and and outside all of of these traditional paywalls so

[01:12:36] it's going to be definitely interesting to watch but i unfortunately also don't have that crystal ball i tried absolutely this is benito it's like sports betting is actually a big part of this because they're funding the leagues a lot now like you've seen draft kings arena and all that stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah that's big money i don't know i i remember after the baseball strike many years ago i kind of

[01:13:02] lost interest in baseball i think there's a risk i really think there's a risk that people could just get fed up and uh there's so much good stuff on youtube but also there's so much good sports right so maybe you get fed up with nfl and you instead start watching crickets curling on apple tv that's what you start doing maybe that's why apple i had to spend a lot of money fingers crossed they're like someone at apple tv is like oh fingers crossed people hate football in a minute like come watch

[01:13:30] some racing cars come watch me with hamilton look really cool and race a car you see i'm with giles from buffy on this with american football it's like why anyone would get by anyone who thought they were manly would get dressed up in 50 pounds of armor just to play rugby is just you know american football is a perfect sport what what with men in tights that's yes that's that it gets the female side

[01:13:55] i love a man in tights let's just i'm gonna just stop you right there they they it is marketed and and packaged perfectly in every respect that's an unfortunate statement given how tight those tights are but i would like i would in fact like all men's sports to involve tights well you ought to see australian rules football because footy oh yeah they're wearing short shorts listen australian rugby

[01:14:22] i'm a fan i'm a fan i don't know what's happening i'm a fan it's it's i don't know what's happening in an afa game half the time so yeah i couldn't tell you what was happening but wow i love it watching it really it's so good it's what's imprinted on you as a kid right whatever it was like baby ducks that you watched as a kid what did you watch young go as a kid i mean soccer yeah uh and same for you ian probably right uh yeah soccer and rugby yeah formula one um yeah it's uh it gets imprinted

[01:14:51] yeah actually what was your favorite sport when you were a kid or did you have one i i have very fond memories of my family taking myself and my uh cousin we are around the same age to las vegas very often to watch football at the sports uh the sports books you nlv or oh watch watch nfl at the sports yeah yeah we would um i did you take up smoking at the time didn't go to a lot of live games but

[01:15:15] let me tell you i spent many hours at the circus circus um yeah so sorry it's a casino for kids so many fond memories because the 90s was the time that vegas decided to pivot and make it like a family friendly destination and so yeah i have fond memories of spending much time at the circus circus midway when i was like five to probably 12 years old while my grandparents and my parents and like

[01:15:40] my cousins parents they'd all go ashley you go watch the uh the acrobats i'll never forget there was one time i believe it was the year the bills were playing in the super bowl i don't remember what year it was but this is like a big deal for my family and so they went to vegas and my cousin and i got in a big ice machine fight in the hallway like near our room wow i think i understand you just a little bit better now my grandma showed up and was like we have to go and we were like what's the

[01:16:09] problem my grandpa ended up getting in like a bar fight because somebody was harassing my aunt at the they got in an argument about who is the better team like my aunt threw the first punch it was crazy i have very fond memories of so many football like i have vegas football memories very specifically but yes that was a big part of my childhood i liked how you started this story with that's when this vegas really became family friendly and so family friendly it was a failure by the way

[01:16:39] that's when they shifted everything no it was a success for me though because i have so many core family memories you love vegas it's the family place yeah sure it's a wally world for the 90s a hundred percent was that yeah but it was um yeah my family's very big into football and so watch a lot of football and then i was also just i loved the lakers when i was like it was the showtime it was showtime so when i was a kid so i i showed what a great show that was like no the showtime era and

[01:17:09] in no i know but that was also became a show about the bus here oh yeah yeah yeah yeah showtime such a good showtime yeah really good but yeah i was a big lakers i was a big lakers kid la baby don't go back to circus circus now because it has gone downhill massively i stayed there once someone put me up there for ces one year and i i almost left the town like i almost just dipped when ziff davis was doing poorly for a long time we stayed at the mgm grand but then the

[01:17:37] the company hotel became circus circus and i knew we'd gone downhill because the tv remote was bolted to the side table as was the lamp i kind of had a feeling this isn't quite i will never forget in the middle of the casino they do they do have mcdonald's and actually a very good steakhouse inside that hotel but uh i will never forget when i went for ces there was a sticker on the window of the

[01:18:05] hotel room that said if you're not alone call this number and you're thinking oh my god this hotel room is haunted like i have to leave i can't be here like this is not this is not a good place no i stayed there for my first defcon and uh i should i shouldn't tell you this but i walked into my room checked out the bathroom and someone left a floater in there and it was like really we

[01:18:34] are not staying here gotta go not as bad as the old imperial but you know pretty bad pretty bad yeah oh the old ip yeah that was a bad one too like yeah i have yeah i know i have stayed in almost every hotel how about the debbie reynolds uh hotel was the old riverboat uh oh my god leo this is like old school i remember staying at the el rancho and they had a bully alley in the basement like like like i said i've been to vegas as a child i've been to vegas more times as a kid than i have as an

[01:19:02] adult which is saying something good lord yeah yeah uh okay well more vegas memories uh coming up uh you're watching this week in tech ashley esketha yanko rutgers and ian thompson wonderful to have all three of you this is fun uh we'll get back to uh the news in just a bit but first a word from our sponsor shopify now imagine you're lying in bed late at night you're scrolling through a new site

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[01:21:48] here what else is in the news i knew we'd have some fun conversations about uh about this youtube situation i guess i'm gonna have to subscribe to uh yes now it's not espn plus it's it's the other one that's the one jj watt was upset about because he had the wrong subscription right yeah i think it's espn uh i'm actually blanking on it i think it's espn unlimited right it's crazy it's crazy um

[01:22:15] denmark's i mentioned this denmark is planning to join australia banning access to social media for children under 15 australia's law goes into effect december 10th i don't know how they're going to do this australia's going to ban access to social media including youtube by the way for anybody under 16 on friday denmark's government announced an agreement to ban access to social media for anyone under 15

[01:22:44] uh the move would give in in australia i don't think parents can get around it in denmark parents after a specific assessment i don't know what that means according to the associated press would have the right to let their children access it from age 13. how you enforce this is a big question as far as i can tell it means that all social media in denmark and australia would have to ask

[01:23:10] every single user for proof of age which is a privacy nightmare yeah i mean this sort of thing is going on in the uk as well when it comes to accessing adult content it creates an enormous database of personal identifiable information which is stalled by third-party companies who are very vulnerable to attack uh in the in the australian case actually it's quite interesting there has been a surprising side benefit in the number of influencers have actually left australia and emigrated to other

[01:23:38] countries so they can carry on their careers there so australia has actually gained you know in terms of having less useless you know uh people floating around within their society but from a you know from a from an actual enforcement perspective i just don't see how this is possible by december 10th in australia that's ambitious it is extremely ambitious um so facebook is included in this instagram is

[01:24:07] included in this even whatsapp is included in this uh the one that's going to be toughest is youtube but i think it's also tough for anybody who's 15 who suddenly is gonna be gonna have access to their friends yeah the hard thing is is there was a really good article in the atlantic recently um called what kids told us about how to get them off their phones

[01:24:35] and this is a um they i think uh harris poll i want to say uh did a survey um and they asked kids ages eight to or hair yeah harris poll kids eight to 12 and asked them um what would what would how do we get you off your phones because they're like kids are just on their phones a lot it's how they socialize right it's really hard they're they don't go outside well yeah we don't have a lot of

[01:25:03] third space anymore and also we we don't have a lot of third spaces anymore for kids so we used to have places somebody argued the other day to me and i thought it was so fascinating and i agree with it 100 horror movies have done so well at the box office because it is one of the few third spaces left for teenagers to go see a horror movie with their friends wow and i think that that is such a fascinating

[01:25:28] observation and i would love to see more research put into that um but about half of the 10 to 12 year olds that were surveyed and i think it was about 500 of them said that they use social media most or all of their friends use social media and i mean do you have a six-year-old do you yeah are they allowed on social media or they no no excellent he doesn't have i'm i'm very um he will not have a he will not

[01:25:52] have a phone or access to social media until he is old enough to understand disinformation how to research ai like this is like a whole i'm like very um i'm very adamant about good hygiene as it comes as it as it relates to like being online um but uh the they basically said what what do you want and these kids basically all said more freedom we never get to play unsupervised or unstructured it's always

[01:26:21] in a soccer league or you know i'm always i'm always brought together with my friends for an arranged play date where my parent where everybody's parents are watching us like there's just no unsupervised or unstructured play do kids in your neighborhood play out in the street at all they ever i don't see that anymore i used to when i was a kid that's what we were doing yeah let's talk about halloween when we bought this house we bought this house 13 years ago and the first time we had halloween we had

[01:26:48] probably 60 to 80 trick-or-treaters we ran out of candy the first couple years we ran out of candy last night our last uh last halloween just a couple weeks ago we bought i figured friday night halloween it's gonna be it's gonna be popping lots of kids we're gonna have a ton of kids coming around

[01:27:08] um it's not a school night um and we had uh less than 25 trick-or-treaters we even then we gave two we gave like two extra bars to people so it's probably less than that it might have been like 20 and we literally these kids want free play in-person organized activity they would rather have those things so the younger they get especially that that is the case yeah they would rather have these things

[01:27:37] and and we are not i don't know how it is in other countries and i would imagine obviously places like denmark have more walkable cities for example they have more they have better public transportation in japan you have kids that have a lot of independence because they run errands they start running errands at the age of like small errands there's like a netflix show about it um at the ages of between two and four like they they're sent down the street with a little bit of pocket change to get something

[01:28:06] for their parents and they they're their independence is constantly fostered and we don't do that here we have a very kind of there's a there's a layer of fear that a lot of parents have about something happening to their kids and i think there are many factors that go into that um you know i i worry every day about things like gun violence in this country i worry every day about things like online predators which is why my kid doesn't play online games um i worry about those things but i also we also try

[01:28:35] really hard to give him a sense of independence we try to to have him do things for himself like for we make him order his own food at a restaurant like i don't do that for him good for you because he needs to be able to interact with the world he's able to talk to a human being and look them in the eyes and ask for what he needs and so um but we also i feel a lot of times like a failure as a parent because he is an only child and we don't have a lot of times that he gets to have unstructured play

[01:29:01] because a lot of other parents are like well we'll just see you in you know karate or we'll see you in you know at this event and i'm just like but i think structured halloween is now trunk or treats so they do these trunk or treating events where you go from car to car and the trunks are decorated and that's it like most parents that's horrible and the thing but but this is not because of covid that we just got used to doing it no no this has been happening even before that and i i do think

[01:29:30] that like just it's been wild for me like to go from a person who did not have kids but likes kids and like understands their role in society like i i am a big proponent of like you should have your kids out in society you should have them on planes you should have them because that's where they learn to be an adult you're teaching them to be an adult and i see so many of my friends who sometimes like they're not my friends but people i know who don't have kids complaining about things like crying babies

[01:29:58] on trains or like you know whatever kids kids being like a three-year-old being like walking around at a restaurant and it's like they're just learning how to be a human like they're just kind of learning that but we have created i think our society in particular has created such a um created such an unfriendly space for children like to just exist like we don't have malls anymore where you could you know just bum around with your friends like we we have malls but like

[01:30:25] that's not a place where people much longer yeah it's just because of because of the internet and and the thing is is again social media like i consider places online spaces like fortnight is a third space for kids because they don't have that they don't have that in real life anymore they don't have a place they can congregate in without some suspicious adult saying oh something bad is happening here and calling the police and and it's just it's not fair to them it's really unfair to them and so i

[01:30:55] i think it is terrible that these kids are going to have an element of their social life stripped from them that they have no control over i think that that is unfair but i also do think that social media is incredibly unhealthy for small children they should not have access to it they do not need it they need in-person socialization the the whole point but what about a 15 year old a 15 year old i think it's both they're still only 15 they're still a child like and it's they need in-person social

[01:31:25] interaction a good example if it's not if it's not available to them which it seems not to be i know i think actually hit it on the head when she talked about the parenting parents being scared of everything outside for their children i think this is really the big problem like there's no stranger danger stranger danger i grew up in the 80s and it was far more dangerous in the 80s for me to be alone in the mall than it is today way more but like it is today we have cameras we have we have so much technology don't allow it anymore parents just don't let their kids be alone

[01:31:54] anymore yeah i was concerned when i was 15 my parents were sending me away on holiday on my own and it was fantastic you know i got to share a room with a professional backgammon player who taught me how to play properly you know you took a bus across europe to get there yeah on your own you know and you learned how to deal lived life you lived life and and we see a lot of stories about like i'm sorry i'm like totally dominating this conversation i have so many thoughts about this yeah but do you have strong feelings about you and you have a six-year-old yeah and i but i also see

[01:32:21] like so many um gen z uh kids in who are in their 20s being like dating is impossible right dating is so impossible and the thing is is like yes you feel really lonely because the only way you're interacting with people is through a screen and when you inevitably have to interact with the person in person they are not equipped with the tools of the the lost art of conversation i run a media

[01:32:47] training company it is my job to teach people how to communicate with other people and it's like we have lost the art of conversation so deeply in in especially here in the us but a lot of western countries we've lost the art of communication because it's through a screen you lose things like tone you lose the ability to read people's faces and read a room it's we joke about the the

[01:33:12] phrase read the room but the thing is is we've lost that art we don't have it and we're now seeing things like you know people feel so lonely they feel so isolated on a screen that they're now turning to chat bots for for companionship and we're seeing these awful stories coming out of these kids who have committed suicide because their chatbot is encouraging them to do these things because it's all it is

[01:33:35] is it's just vomiting back their their tone of of voice their their pacing and structure of their writing they seem like a friend and these are children they do not have the the skills we we're not giving them or equipping them with the skills to understand that that's what it is they really feel that they've made this connection because they are children they are vulnerable even an 18 year old is still a it's

[01:34:00] a child that's a teenager and it's just it's impossible to have these like conversations when people just ignore the fact that like we've basically created societies in which being a kid is like frowned upon what's the solution then though is it to uh enforce these age restrictions on social media services and on youtube or so i'm i'm sort of i don't actually know whether that's good or bad but i'm somewhat

[01:34:29] hesitant because i think it also could give social media companies a way out we've seen that before with like uh companies like matter and virtual reality where they basically were like well our headset is not for people under 14 so nobody's using another 14 and then you go onto these services and there's clearly young kids there all the time but so when you enforce these age restrictions the same thing

[01:34:51] could happen right so i think it's a combo it's like a combination it's a combination of education to parents because the thing is as parents i talk to about roblox have no idea they have no idea that news is not getting to them they're they're not receiving the the story about the lawsuit in texas they're not they're not receiving any of that news and we've we've kind of hit a breaking point in our news

[01:35:16] consumption where people are so burned out by the fire hose of news that is coming at us all the time on social media platforms on our on our our news apps like from everywhere that we are we're tuning out and saying the most important news will reach me and that's actually there have been surveys done with gen z kids who that's how they feel the most important news will certainly reach them and

[01:35:43] that's all that matters to them they're not going to go seeking out other information and i think we have a duty to one like really change the way that we educate people like about misinformation ai disinformation like there is a there's a responsibility there of education to like do that job and i don't know how to do that without like completely overhauling the way that we educate people in this country but

[01:36:12] also like i am of the i am of the thought that i think regulation to have like any company that has a service or product with um that that is a social media online like that has any kind of element of social nature should have an should have at least one ethicist for every x amount of users that you have

[01:36:36] like we really have abandoned ethics in computer like in computer science and there have been like leo i've talked about this thread a bunch of times on twitter where there was a guy and he he he used to be a physicist and then he is a computer programmer and he was talking about how every major scientific uh scientific progress that we've seen like major inventions discoveries or or

[01:37:05] eras of time we've we've always had a reckoning um ethically in those eras so when the chemical uh the chemist community um they had to reckon with things like chemical warfare and dynamite like what what how did those things change society like those those were things they had to reckon with the physics community obviously had to reckon with the bomb like that was their major ethical reckoning and the

[01:37:31] computer science industry and and just in general just that community has never really had a major ethical reckoning in the same way and so we have these companies that have these pie in the sky like oh we're being so helpful to users we're really going out of our way to you know change their lives for the better but they're forgetting to also think about the worst people on earth and how their

[01:37:57] products can be weaponized to harm and like we're just not or again they're choosing to ignore that in favor of number go up and and that and that is a thing that regulation needs to step in and and help solve and i don't think you ever solve that problem you're always gonna have uh you know you're always gonna have situations that skirt the system or figure out a way around the system but that doesn't

[01:38:23] mean we shouldn't be trying every single day to fix these problems i worry that government wants to replace parenting though i understand it's very difficult for parents nowadays but uh well they should i get nervous when i hear what we do as parents but they should be regulating what the companies are doing i think government should say to companies is you need to give parents the tools to do this and then people will say well parents won't do it well sorry but that's it doesn't mean

[01:38:51] the government gets to step in in loco parentis i think yeah that i think i agree with you that the tech companies need to be forced to give parents the tools i don't agree that governments should say things like nobody can use social media under the age of 16. i don't think that that's the government's job but but also like what about cigarettes though leo i mean it's like cigarettes we have they're illegal for for children to use under 18 we know there's clear very clearly cigarettes but we know

[01:39:18] there's clear harm to kids i don't think we know that i disagree i disagree i think there's very clear research that says we are harming children by allowing them to have access to social media yeah and by the time we really know it might be too late to do anything about that's what i'm saying so maybe a whole generation of we may have already lost a whole generation we may have already exactly right that's exactly right and that is the thing i don't like i think there's a real business opportunity here because social media companies like facebook et al have recognized that they get

[01:39:48] more engagement if they encourage bad news stuff which in for angers people you know gets them gets them wound up if you like if you could get a social media company who said explicitly our algorithm is meant to boost positive news positive things they get less traffic certainly but i think parents would feel a lot more comfortable letting their children loose on those maybe have a kid friend i'm sure

[01:40:12] that's what roblox was intended to be a kid friendly social network did you remember neopets ashley did you use neopets as a kid yeah that was a kid friendly social network so it was friendly but there were also groomers on that platform and neopets did things to help mitigate that they stopped it um maybe big tech has become too profit focused there's certainly a lot of money and i think that i think that most

[01:40:39] large corporations have abandoned their it's the inshittification of these companies which is they've abandoned their customers for the benefit of shareholders and that's really unfortunate because i think they could be doing some amazing things and making um you know the products that they aspire to be building they could actually be making it's interesting because disney created or bought club penguin uh same idea ian they said oh well there's there's money to be made in a child-friendly uh

[01:41:09] social networks and it's so adorable yeah it really was it was so cute uh but it's gone right yeah because it's not as profitable as the other way right now i mean it's exactly that's what it comes down to and unless you can say unless you can get a significant buy-in from parents just like yeah we trust this this is going to be around this is safe for our children to play on then you know i agree with you totally actually on common spaces but i think that as you say there are no common spaces and kids

[01:41:38] don't yeah growing up so so maybe maybe one thing to take back from this uh away from this is that actually some of this might be up to us and and i'm just gonna like tell a real brief story but when i moved to this neighborhood that i live in now and i live in oakland and in california there was no trick-or-treating in our neighborhood there was basically nobody coming by wow and uh we had really young well i mean oakland has its own issues had its own issues but it was also i think just

[01:42:08] sort of like you know there's sometimes these generational shifts and whatnot so nobody was really going and then people start stop decorating and then you don't come to the neighborhood because there's no decor it's sort of a self re self-fulfilling prophecy essentially and um at the time our first daughter was relatively little and we got together with a couple of other families from our preschool and we were like well we should you know organize something and why don't we do this in the neighborhood there was like two three families in the same neighborhood and so we started like the

[01:42:36] first year that was really just like two or three families and we walked around and went trick-or-treating and people were kind of excited open the doors oh nobody has come by for a while so that was fun so we're like oh we're gonna do that again and so we did it over and over and over again and at some point it was 50 kids rushing houses basically it was a gigantic group we used to buy like 30 pizzas and it was it really brought the neighborhood together it was that's the solution that i'd like

[01:43:04] to see is for parents to step up and do it yeah well it's also parents getting off their phones and not using their phones as the place they also are socializing how many times you go to a restaurant or an airport waiting area and you see all the small kids on ipads just you know because the parents we don't have what it's the easy thing to do i know you don't but during like you're an outlier

[01:43:27] i'm an outlier but it's like i during the pandemic um right after lockdowns ended we i would take him he was like probably less than two he was probably a year and a half old maybe a year and a half i would take him every sunday to have breakfast at our local like favorite place and and we would sit there and i would have him just sit and like we didn't he didn't have like crayons or he wasn't interested in

[01:43:51] any of that and we would just we just sit and i'd like i've tried really hard to like really make sure like when he was old enough to start knowing what he wanted i would tell him he had to tell the waitress or i would tell him like we would talk to people at the other tables and he this is what he doesn't have he still to this day does not have an ipad though now we have he really wants to play uno while we're waiting for our food that's okay card games are good no it's just very funny to see like

[01:44:18] two grown adults and a six-year-old playing cards at a table like yelling uno at each other which is like very funny lisa and i always bring cards when we go out to eat yeah but we have we literally have like decks of uno like uno decks in each of our cars like just in case for whenever we go to a restaurant but yeah it's just he doesn't he has an ipad like he uses it for things like he plays guitar and he plays songs you don't use it as a babysitter and i think that that's that's the

[01:44:42] problem yanco your kid's grown now uh yes they're older uh one ones after college yeah i feel fortunate my kids are 30 and 32 i didn't have to i mean they were raised in the internet era but it wasn't yeah it wasn't like this it was club penguin and it was uh neopets it wasn't it wasn't like this i i find it interesting though and that's not actually even like i i wish i could like uh pat myself on the shoulder for this but it's it sort of came natural to them there's almost like a backlash in that

[01:45:11] generation going on like my older daughter it's true uh she's collecting cds she's talking about getting a flip phone i'm glad i'm so glad to be seeing that type of those types of trends are great and you are seeing more and more like the younger gen z and old like older gen alpha kids are choosing to have fully private social media like they are not interested in they have like a fully private

[01:45:36] private and then if they want to make content that is a separate public thing which is what you should be doing if you want to be a content creator and you also want to exist on the internet you've got to protect your peace like it is very important if you are going to have any kind of public face on the internet and be a personality you should be protecting yourself and like these are ways that they are figuring out like because they are just sort of kind of feeling around in the dark on this they don't have any precedent like that's how they're figuring out to do it and i'm glad they are i think

[01:46:04] that's amazing that she's collecting cds that's a that's that's a that's awesome well although she's shooting collecting final just renting it let's be honest no cds man that's where it's at i like i love it i love that i have i got a couple friends who are like whose kids are older kids are really into collecting tapes they're really into cassettes they love cassettes and i'm just like you know what good for you let's take a little break we'll come back with more uh we've got some passionate

[01:46:29] parents here i like it uh and of course you have a cat right uh ian yeah i think you heard her earlier in the show very noisy and do you let your cat on social media that's the question uh stumpy gets the occasional picture but that's about it but uh quite frankly we just had the clocks change in the us and i'm just dealing with the fact that she hasn't quite cats don't understand that do they don't care

[01:46:54] they don't quite get that i got my face pulled this morning but yeah i i'm probably a bad cat dad because uh i have scanned my cat's persona into sora and now people can make ai videos of uh of rosie and it's it's probably a terrible terrible thing i've done here catastrophe it's a cat oh nice one respect good yeah our show today brought to you by zip recruiter we love these guys what hey i got

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[01:48:33] you can try it for free at zip recruiter dot com slash twit again that's zip recruiter dot com slash twit zip recruiter the smartest way to hire we thank them so much for supporting this week in tech all right i could i think we could spend another three hours talking about the the plight of kids today it's genuine it's real i don't know what the answer is um and and i think we're all struggling with this and you

[01:49:03] know it's going to be an interesting social experiment when they hit majority in 10 years and uh and they're voters and they're you know they're the people who get jobs and i don't know what's going to happen it's interesting i just to close the circle there a little bit on some of the stuff they actually said before um the whole thing that happened this week with zora mandani mom danny getting elected as mayor of new york uh there was an article that sort of uh explained at part of the reason for it being

[01:49:33] the lack of third spaces and youth coming out and finding those third spaces and canvassing because he had like a hundred thousand canvases knocking on millions of doors really unprecedented and some of that seemed to have been that people who felt isolated at home went out met people and like it cuts both ways because as as many have also pointed out the the kind of um uh lost generation

[01:50:00] particularly of young men were very much a part of how trump got elected in uh 2024 so it cuts both ways doesn't it uh people people that's what hana arent said about uh totalitarianism is that totalitarianism attracted lonely people because it it was a way to create a community uh and that's who was attracted to nazism in in nazi germany that's who was attracted to fascist

[01:50:27] movements totalitarian movements so it's a very it can cut both ways you seek community um in a variety of places before this gets too dark just want to point out that also with the election of the mayor in new york uh it's an interesting example of somebody who tried to be a soundcloud rapper realized there wasn't his real potential is that where randani started

[01:50:51] was on soundcloud yeah yeah dr mr cardamom or dr cardamom or something yeah that's hysterical well see that's okay so maybe he is in a way speaks to youth because he is of their generation and he has suffered that's the sign of the time he's a millennial and at some point all of our politicians are going to be ex on cloud we'll have they'll all have these influencers ex youtube channel

[01:51:15] ex youtuber x you know ex instagram influencer well they can't do any worse than we baby boomers have done i'm sorry i apologize as a baby boomer thank you for that apology i think it's the first one i've heard but i'll take it we did our best we tried we really did uh we were you know what we were a pretty um kind of um i think we were very idealistic my generation was in the 60s uh well you guys were

[01:51:44] the beneficiaries of the new deal that's why right right you see if we'd only known that we thought it was the acid so how did i know uh the department of defense has decided to take an interesting tack uh the national defense authorization act will be coming up to a vote at some point when congress

[01:52:08] decides to come back to work uh one of the priorities proposed by the ndaa uh is less of an obligation to prove that the technology they're buying is effective and worth the money according to lawfare this year's defense policy bill will roll back data disclosures that help the department the dod understand the real costs of what they're buying testing requirements

[01:52:35] that establish whether contractors promise is technically feasible or even suited to its needs uh this is they say primarily due to secretary of defense pete hegseth's goal of maximizing lethality by acquiring modern software at a speed and scale for our war fighter you know you can only do that if you don't test it if you don't care whether it works it's definitely going to be lethal in some way

[01:53:03] it's gonna be lethal for somebody but as we know over the years there have been plenty of defense contractors who have attempted to scam the government in the military um stepping back on oversight seems like maybe the wrong direction but it's a direction uh we seem to be taking in a variety of areas wired has this story the government shutdown is a ticking cyber security time bomb we talked about this a

[01:53:29] little bit last week with alex stamos who was on the show um the lily hay newman writing for wired says many critical systems are still being maintained and the cloud provides some security cover but experts say any lapses in protections like patching and monitoring could expose government systems it's a recipe for grift you know i mean basically defense contractors have traditionally ripped off the government on a very large scale this is just saying oh let's kick away a few more guard

[01:53:59] rails and see what happens and what happens is that people will get um the the governance the government will get ripped off the software will work less and less effectively and move fast and break things gets an explosive edge to we've effectively shut down cisa yeah uh thursday the congressional budget office announced it had been hacked um the agency was infiltrated by according to

[01:54:24] the washington post a suspected foreign actor this is uh some are worried the beginning uh of a kind of collapse of our um cyber security yeah i mean the cisa cuts have been absolutely savage um particularly at black hat and defcon this year we're speaking to a lot of former people at cisa and they were like look if you're over a certain age and you've made a you know a decent amount they're just

[01:54:50] saying well it's not worth the hassle uh and the younger people coming in sure they're very keen they're very on the ball but they've got virtually zero experience and increasingly less and less funding and i you know the logic on this is baffling because you know for every dollar that you invest in something like cisa you make 10 20 times that back in terms of security cisa is the uh computer uh rather the cyber security and infrastructure

[01:55:15] security agency and even during the shutdown cutting staff has continued it's just an excuse to fire more people such a loss for generational knowledge as well i mean for all those younger group kids all those younger people who are coming in and getting you know new jobs you're you're just not getting the the transfer of knowledge from the these people have had just like decades of experience you know

[01:55:40] working with these systems and and figuring out how how to get things done it's just it's really it's a tragedy honestly it's security vandalism yeah yeah uh well there is some good news uh china has suspended its export restrictions for five years on minerals critical to the u.s technology sector we are

[01:56:03] completely reliant on china for things like um uh these super magnets that are used um in almost all of our electronics lithium-ion batteries semiconductors uh solar panels um the ministry uh in china had imposed controls in december of last year on these rare earth metals you may remember and uh apparently

[01:56:28] trump was able in his meetings with uh xi in south korea last week to get them to back down on that so that's that's good news well i mean they are spent america is spinning up more and more where they've finally woken up to this after 10 years of warning that china was dominating this market but it takes about five years to spin up a you know these kind of mining and manufacturing facilities and it's desperately needed because otherwise china's got its thumb over pretty much every area

[01:56:57] of advanced technology which we need to build to build with in the last 72 hours the administration has announced a 1.2 billion dollar investment into two rare earth startups made to deal with kazakhstan for critical uh minerals um you know the minerals it turns out are pretty important and may have a lot to do with our foreign policy uh in ukraine in uh in venezuela and other places uh in greenland in fact

[01:57:25] um maybe that's the secret behind uh a lot of our foreign policy is the demand the need for those uh eight or nine minerals which up to now have been solely available from china samarium is the number one on the list a key element for magnets used in jets and missiles china dominates from mining to separation and manufacturing those magnets and this was a deliberate policy we've seen the same thing

[01:57:51] with solar panel with the solar panel market we've seen the same thing even with router wi-fi routers you know tp link was selling wi-fi routers at well below the cost of them you know the cost of manufacturer because they wanted a massive market share we talked about this last week half about half of all the routers in the us are tp link they are going to be banned because they come from china

[01:58:15] yeah it's we're doing great we're doing great guys it's going so well that should be fun well no i mean i achieved mike rogers the ex-head of the nsa and he was fanatical about this he was just like do you don't realize what we've just done this is stupid it's just yeah i don't know oh man

[01:58:36] yeah um well there's no lack of a technology being used by ice ice has managed to improve their uh technology stack to a great degree there's two ice agents taking pictures for face recognition um newly licensed software can give access this is from a story from npr to vast amounts

[01:58:59] of location-based data ice revived its previously frozen contract with pegasus for spyware that can hack cell phones and ice the department of homeland security has said in every case that these technologies can be used against american citizens as well as uh illegal immigrants they also have new ai driven software contracts to ramp up their social media surveillance and apparently they're considering

[01:59:28] hiring 24 7 teams of contractors to scour places like facebook and tick tock and to create dossiers on users we are we are about to live in the 1984 surveillance uh government that george orwell was warning us about a land of the free indeed i mean also there's a you know so coming back to what we were saying earlier there's very little evidence that these things are 100 accurate and the consequences of false positive

[01:59:58] you know you get what three four weeks stay all expenses paid in alligator alcatraz just because some software bloke screwed up with a picture of your face now i'm an immigrant uh janko as well i'm presuming um it's deeply worrying you know it's um we've already been told that this is what worries me as a u.s citizen and a cis white boomer uh it doesn't seem to matter whether you're a citizen or an

[02:00:24] immigrant or a green card holder no no and these on the ai ai is not infallible this is like it is insane to me that anybody is looking at any software that is legitimately adding third arms to people when it generates video and being like this is very reliable like it is not like it hallucinates it it can easily say oh this is close enough to somebody who we have marked in a database as someone

[02:00:52] who's undocumented like it's just i mean it's absolutely ridiculous yeah i mean we had that kid arrested the other week who had a bag of doritos which the ai took to be a gun it's always been proven also that all these face photograph conditions are really historically bad at looking at people of color in general right yeah yeah very because they're designed they're not even mostly designed by people like from the top down it's just like oh god this is infuriating individuals

[02:01:18] cannot decline to be photographed when an ice agent approaches you and the photos are stored for 15 years even if there is no match yeah on the other hand if you take a photo of an ice agent then you're liable to be arrested and or threatened with shooting so they're all wearing masks because they don't want to be identified yeah uh you can download it's on google's app store it's called mobile identify created by customs and border protection uh you're not supposed to use it unless you're deputized to

[02:01:47] work with ice but it is on the app store i haven't tried to download it um uh basically uh agents in the field just point their phone at somebody's face and can instantly learn details about them yeah i should just say as someone who's going for american citizenship at the moment i for one love that love our new overlords and would have nothing said against them whatsoever

[02:02:09] we're thrilled we're thrilled um oh have you ever used archive today archive.is archive.ph yeah i confess i might have used it once or twice this is a site i didn't realize it's been around for so long it's been around for a very long time uh and it allows you to get past paywalls

[02:02:34] uh among other things among other things i pay for almost i mean we i pay for does literally dozens of newsletters and uh and newspapers and everything because we use them in the shows and i want legitimate access but every once in a while i run up against something that i haven't paid for and it's a very good way to share those stories uh 404 reports the fbi has subpoenaed

[02:02:59] uh x.com trying to unmask the owner of archive today uh they're going after him by the way i have a subscription to 404 media i know it doesn't look like it but honestly i i that's what i'm glad i'm happy uh to pay for they do damn good journalism yeah yeah really good

[02:03:20] really good um according to the verge uh uh the subpoena was sent to two cows the web domain's registrar not to x but uh this was posted on x yeah yeah by uh by archive today they went to their registrar demanding the customer subscriber name address of service and billing address telephone records payment information internet session info network addresses

[02:03:46] the services the site's owner has used such as email or cloud computing services uh the subpoena says the info relates to a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the fbi doesn't reference a particular crime i didn't know this they've been around since 2012. yeah been a long time no one knows who uh who runs it uh the original domain was registered by somebody named dennis petrov which is a common russian name apparently claiming to come from

[02:04:15] prague in the czech republic um so i you know i don't know what will come of this i know that they i know that they posted uh and said if you're using archive.is like to stop doing it because that it could probably it might have access to everybody's ever used it yeah yeah um also we just hope they've got decent data sanitation on there and they're not keeping that many logs other than those which they

[02:04:44] actually have to rather than you know just leaving it on a server somewhere to be scooped up right i mean on the other hand uh you all worked for organizations that were ad supported this show is ad supported um often paywall supported i mean uh these were circumvention techniques that are probably illegal right yes i mean the register never actually

[02:05:10] put up a paywall but more and more people are doing the bbc for example has now put up a paywall for us users and overseas users and i never thought that would happen um but you know i mean come you know businesses have a right to put themselves behind a paywall that's fine but there are legitimate uses for for dot is what are the legitimate uses i use it sometimes actually when i do stories because if i have a scoop of something that happened recently uh i found some job listings that mentioned some

[02:05:38] product that shouldn't have been mentioned or something um and obviously i archive it before i contact the company just as a journalist because i know they will take it down yeah but then also to make it available instead of me just adding like a screenshot or something to a story i can just link to that archive.is page which shows the original job listing even after the right it has been taken down yeah because it saves it right it saves it yeah and also i mean in in a in a country where we

[02:06:05] literally have government websites either going down being deleted or completely changed um every single day it also is a pretty valuable tool for preserving that information i would argue it's in the name yes it's an archive yeah well and let's talk about the internet archive because um brewster kale

[02:06:28] says uh we survived uh we survived but wiped out the library this was internet archive was being sued by uh record labels and others um is i think a very important service right for all the purposes you just described after years of bruising copyright uh battles that threatened to bankrupt

[02:06:57] the library more than 500 000 books have been removed from their open library uh brewster kale uh talking to ashley blancher at ars technica says we survived but it wiped out the library yeah i was actually at the library a couple of weeks ago for the celebration for the one trillionth web page archived uh and it's a fantastic resource it's run by very dedicated people who could probably earn twice or three times their salary if they are out in the you know in the broader

[02:07:24] tech world just screwing people for money over money but it's an incredibly valuable resource and to have it butchered this way is terribly upsetting because you're literally killing off information which is not available in pretty much any other format you know it's like i'm a science fiction nut trying to find trying to find you know science fiction books from the 50s or 60s you can't buy them online because they've all been pulped but some of them have been scanned into the internet archive and it's the same for a whole variety of you know fiction non-fiction media

[02:07:54] uh of any kind and this kind of wanton vandalism is is going to hurt everyone in most cases it's not the actual creators of the content that are suing it's the publishers it's the music publishers um and last year the archive lost its uh final appeal in the book publishers lawsuit over the open library project uh the publishers were seeking damages of up to 400 million dollars

[02:08:20] they apparently arranged a confidential agreement on a monetary payment and the archive was able to pay whatever they uh asked for um the archive settled another suit uh they were digitizing 78s these you may remember kids before uh before there were 33 and a thirds uh there were 45s there were 78s

[02:08:44] and uh and publishers sought damages of up to 700 million dollars on these long ago forgotten recordings that needed to be i think preserved yeah for our as our heritage uh another confidential settlement reached but the publishers were looking for 700 million dollars in damages um this is tragic i contribute of course every month the internet archive uh as i do to wikipedia

[02:09:13] and other things that have made the internet the most useful thing um humanity has invented but uh it's not like this was allowing piracy for example if you rent if you get a book out from the internet archive if you don't read it for 15 minutes you know it gets sent back to the you know you get you get logged off this is if you want to read something and you're willing to put the time in fine but you don't get a copy you can't pirate it it's a scanned in page you know it's it's just absolutely

[02:09:42] bonkers and it drives me up the wall i mean i think what led to the beginning of the lawsuit with the book publisher in particular was that they sort of um loosened some of those restrictions during the early covet days where they were saying it's the emergency library you can now check out as many books as or before it was limited to they had a physical copy of the same book somewhere in a shelf and they're called storage and one person could check out that book and when that until that person

[02:10:11] returned it nobody else could read it yeah they lifted all the caps on loans and i think that was the thing that like made well i made the publishers very mad but as corey doctor has pointed out publishers really don't want libraries of any kind to exist no uh of course not and uh you know they're savvy enough not to go after your public library but if they can shut it down things like that they have like so which is great is a great resource like i use hoopla i'm a big fan of that service

[02:10:40] but these publishers are diametrically opposed to the existence of the library as like a because it's they're not making money at the library like it's just not that's not the point i don't know you see but this is again i i wouldn't be a journalist if it wasn't for my local library because i spent so much time down there and look at all the books behind you that you've paid good money for i mean you buy this is just one bookshelf there's three more around the house you know took my

[02:11:06] kid to the library yesterday i'm checkouts i'm like i'm sorry but you read too many books too fast like for me to be buying you to go to barnes and noble every week like good for you ripping through dog man like it's going out of style and like i just can't keep up with this financially more captain underpants books it's literally the drill post where it's like help me budget my help me budget and it's like thirty six hundred dollars a month dog man just like that

[02:11:33] i had a kid just like that we go to the bookstore a hundred dollars later he is like this big and then she'd say okay i finished them a week later i'm done yeah let's go back i'm like no he's like i thought we were going to barnes and noble mike no we are going to the library you're going to rent some books you're going to learn to use the computer to search for the books and then you're going to go find them and he's like okay the internet archives great 78 project was digital digitizing 400 000

[02:11:59] old shellacked records no one's doing that press from 1898 to the 1950s not only is nobody doing that there's people like universal who let their entire warehouses burn down of the original burn yeah yeah and they just well because they before they could get around to doing it because it's just a zero priority yeah yeah also if if i would highly recommend it they do guided tours of the internet archive every friday afternoon and it's a beautiful building i've always wanted to go in

[02:12:27] there yeah no you can i mean um it's up by clement san francisco just by golden gate park yeah it looks like it should be the it's like it's got pillar columns in front of it it's kind of former roman it is actually a former church and you know they've got the server racks set up in the aisles they've got pews where you can they've got some really a they've got a lot of great technology for scanning and and

[02:12:52] dealing with older media which is fascinating for a geek like myself but it's also you know they've got like little stat three foot high statues of everyone who's worked there for a certain amount of time sort of going along the walls which is a bit freaky when you first see it's like the game of throwing it's all in face in like 600 years it'll be like saying people will go as tourists they'll go there and then there'll be all the little the little statues of all the people who work there

[02:13:15] it'll just say people in the 21st century were so short they're so small you see how small they were uh yeah uh brandon butler is a copyright lawyer and the director of executive director of recreate which is a coalition of libraries civil libertarians online online rights advocates startups consumers and technology companies that you know supporting uh opening up a little bit the

[02:13:41] copyright law said the idea that somebody's going to stream a 78 of an elvis song instead of firing it up on their 10 a month spotify subscription is silly it doesn't pass the laugh test but given the scale of the project multiply that by statutory damages that's where you get 700 million dollars that makes it an extremely dangerous project all of a sudden we've got to we've got to fix this that's that's so unfortunate it's it's sad um

[02:14:09] free and fair internet is very hard it's it's becoming less and less common and it's that is you know i i donate to the eff every month and that's like a big it's really important organization for me like i'm like just like please just keep fighting like i i i'm not a policy wonk i don't know what the answers are in terms of like navigating the system to be able to like continue to have these types of things but like i just like all i can do is just give money to people who are much smarter than

[02:14:39] i am and hope that they can figure it out me too uh we used to have a bumper sticker on the screensaver set the fair use has a posse which is the eff's uh motto at the time and yeah i mean i went to the seer at defcon they have in fact for the last couple of years uh they've had a um an eff poker game where you pay 250 bucks to to to play and the money goes to the eff and i went this year

[02:15:04] and it was a fantastic afternoon great idea nice that is really cool i like that a lot i'll have to go do a tour i didn't know they did tours yeah oh the internet archive yeah i would like to go check that out the next time i'm in town i'll have to go check that out friday afternoons i highly recommend it that's great uh as uh barry fm says in our uh discord chat our club twitter chat libraries are at least 2 000 years older than socialism i don't know what it means but i like it i like it we see

[02:15:32] if libraries didn't exist and somebody put a politician proposed it now can you imagine the rhetoric oh yeah oh this is you mean you don't have to buy a book to read it oh no that's not okay this is literary communism all right another break we'll be right back you're watching a very fun episode of this week in tech with

[02:15:56] ian thompson are you looking for work or you like being a freelancer um if the i'm kind of with ashley on this if the right job came up uh i mean i am happy being a freelancer the only caveat to that is health insurance in america which is just isn't it absolutely insane yeah you know the only are we not the only uh developed nation that doesn't have some sort of national health it's just pretty much

[02:16:20] yeah i mean you should not be able to do medical bankruptcies should not be a thing no i mean okay the swiss for example have a private system uh run by private insurance companies but that what how much money they can earn is severely capped yeah maybe that's the solution you know so that you could actually get decent health care at a decent price but yeah it's coming out of an employment situation getting my own health care was an unpleasant shock shall we say yeah yeah my husband got laid off in

[02:16:49] june and uh-oh that cobra bill was oh oh yeah upsetting um yeah i was i was insult i was offended by it honestly like it was it was like almost double our mortgage which was well i'm on medicare and i still pay a huge amount of money so i don't know what i don't get it i really i don't i don't understand it i really don't uh it's just something's wrong but yeah i don't know it's very broken very broken

[02:17:19] also here uh yanko records who is also a freelancer also paying for his own health insurance actually my wife but oh good yeah very well that's the key isn't it yes yeah yeah it helps for sure yep and uh ashley esketha i hope your husband uh has he found work is he looking for work just started a new job on monday congratulations very good uh we were we're a little it was a little tenuous for a while i bet um but uh yeah no he found a good seems like a good

[02:17:48] company they're like they do um led production rental so he does a lot of like technical event production nice um so it's all like the you know when you go to a ces booth and you see all the like big led screens and stuff um stuff like that so he like yeah he ain't gonna take that job baby that's a good job not yeah i hope not i mean he's really he's he's good at it so he's a he's a fixer he's like a person who just like he's never had a show failure in like the 20 years he's been doing this so he's

[02:18:16] very that's very good at his job so i hopefully this is a place where the owner of the company seems like a good guy who like understands work-life balance which is good um and he's not one of those nine nine six guys no no and he he definitely is like he leaves too like when it's time to leave he goes so he's like he really kind of good sets a good example which i found that so offensive when eric schmidt and other ceos say oh you what do you mean no you don't get to have a personal life

[02:18:41] if you're gonna if you're gonna work in a startup you you gotta work all the time yeah unfortunately like people have other commitments like their families yes i think friends if we're gonna if we're gonna survive as a country we have to support families and uh well and also just like even if you're by yourself you should be able to have hobbies and find joy and do stuff like that what is the point of working for all that money if you're working at a startup that's like doing

[02:19:08] really well like if you're that's gonna you know make a billion dollars or whatever what's the point of all that if you have no time to actually enjoy it well let's be fair the people who make all the money are not the people working no they're enjoying it they're enjoying all that money yeah they're doing they're doing fine uh we're gonna take a break come back with more you're watching this week in tech our show today brought to you by net suite every business these days is asking the same

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[02:20:59] tech we appreciate it uh there was speaking of ai kind of a back and forth open ai at one point i think sam altman said you know the government it we sam moment has now made commitments to i think 1.7 trillion dollars in spending this to a company maybe they're making money but not

[02:21:23] anywhere near 1.7 trillion dollars so uh sam said well maybe the government could help us out um it's actually was their cfo sarah fryer who was speaking at the wall street journal's tech live event fryer said open ai is looking to create an ecosystem of banks private equity and and this was the

[02:21:48] two words that scared people federal backstop or guarantee that could help the company finance its investments in cutting-edge uh chips obviously uh she backed down a little bit she posted the next day uh on on linkedin saying well i used the word backstop that wasn't quite uh right uh and in fact the trump

[02:22:15] administration immediately responded uh david sachs said no no no federal bailout no guarantees from from the united states government um and we got a number actually a couple days ago too right about how much money open air makes or doesn't make which was somehow like tucked away in microsoft's

[02:22:40] earnings oh that's right they lost 11 and a half billion dollars in a quarter yeah which is quite amazing yeah you could feel ed zitron's blood pressure rise just that joker it's just him smiling ed zitron smiling and um yeah his having an apoplexy uh just yeah that ed really i i gotta give ed a lot of

[02:23:05] credit here because honestly like how how he wakes up every day and doesn't just like rage he does but i'm talking about like michael douglas and falling down you know what i mean like where he just doesn't snap every single day his head's gonna explode at some point i do too he's a good guy but i do worry about him i worry about his i worry about his stress his cortisol levels

[02:23:28] yeah sam altman said uh open ai is on track to generate more than 20 billion dollars in revenue this year but revenue is not profit no you can you can generate 20 billion in revenue and lose 20 billion because your costs are double that so it was an interesting interview with an analyst who said that when the ai bubble pops the very first thing they're going to do is go to the government and say

[02:23:52] look if you let us go under china will win the ai race so give us exactly please you know exactly that's going to be their playbook and he's already hearing rumblings about that yeah um all right well we'll we'll we'll watch this is david's laying that rail they're just laying that track right now yes david sex post on x by the way he's a podcaster i just want to say that there will

[02:24:17] be no he's also the ai and cryptos are in the white house there will be no federal bailout for ai and actually he's got a good point he says the us has at least five major frontier model companies if one fails others will take its place it's a competitive environment but what if they all fail that's you know uh i didn't need my retirement really i uh i'll be living on uh food stamps so

[02:24:44] maybe not uh no you won't it's not just the point that that you're going to have one less model it's all the money that is invested in those companies by other companies and promised to other companies it's like yeah it's kind of shell game they're just all passing a trillion dollars between them there was that graphic that came out the other day that was like here are all the deals these like six companies it's all circular yeah they're just all passing this like money around

[02:25:09] very concerning but and you know i admit i have a little bit of a vested interest in this because my retirement is basically invested in the u.s stock market and even if you invest it as i do in index funds like the s p 500 that's completely dominated by the magnificent seven ai companies and when they do well i do well when they don't i don't i had a terrible week last week and it

[02:25:36] it completely can see i don't want to see uh an ai collapse and so admitting that that i have definitely invested interest in the success of ai i have to point out ai is not completely made up there is some genuine value generated by it it it's useful i mean i use it every single day and i find it very useful i understand that you know this right now the cost far outweighs the potential for

[02:26:06] profit it's very very caught one as 1.4 trillion dollars that open ai is going to spend that's crazy well isn't it nvidia is worth 16 of us gdp at the moment which yeah nvidia basically dominates the stock market and if nvidia goes so goes my in my retirement it's it reminded me i'm gonna be a walmart greeter in two years i'm just telling you right now well it kind of reminded me of my brother-in-law

[02:26:32] who used to work at virgin records and when the spice girls were at the height of their fame he was at their christmas party and one of their guys was saying and the spice girls accounted for 25 of our profits last year isn't that great he was like no it's not because two years later nobody's gonna care about the spice girls when we're up the spout and also well and that the thing with ai right now is that like so many of these like solutions are what is that they somebody had made a thing and they were

[02:27:01] like ai the the way it should be is it does the things i don't want to do so that i can go be creative not the other way around right like it shouldn't be creative for me so that i could go fold more laundry that's like the last or like you know do you know do more things that i hate i think there's there is the case that's a good point and these unfortunately these ai companies and open ai is the worst offender this have focused on kind of the consumer market and chat gpt and things that

[02:27:28] consumers like to chat with ai seven more families are suing open ai now over their kids uh over suicide and self-harm and psychotic breaks uh i mean it's not good it's problematic i think that consumer use of ai is the thing that we least value you know the the chat bots the the generated you know soar but it's the thing that takes up the most data that's that it's what everybody thinks

[02:27:53] about but but i'm using ai for coding uh companies are using ai very successfully there is a real value to it so it's in a weird situation where they're uh the thing that gets most attention is probably the least useful right i mean i think this is where like so for me like in a perfect world this is the argument for ubi where it's basically like if ai is going to permeate everything we do then everybody

[02:28:19] that uh but who's going to pay for universal basic income where does that come from these companies can't even pay food stamps oh i understand nvidia it has a market cap of over four trillion dollars and you're saying we can't find the money for this like of course we can we can find the money to feed people we can find the money to house people in this country we could do we could do those things we choose not to do those things right it's a it's an active choice we choose not to do what we are a

[02:28:48] wealthy nation we are very wealthy nation and there are people who are not paying like when we think about you know people talk about like oh when we were so good or like when things were so great like we were like american infrastructure had a boom period when we were taxing the wealthiest people in our country at 90 percent on on the very highest earnings on the highest earnings but yeah as we were discussing at the start of the show we've now got you almost giving himself a potential one trillion

[02:29:17] trillion dollars pay rise and you know he's not going to be paying anything maybe one or two percent on that one or one to two percent of that and the thing is is like we could have these things we could have these things and we we choose not to implement tax law we choose not to enforce tax law in order to have these things like we could have them we could pay people every single person in this country there are countries that pay their citizens based on natural resources that are sold in their country

[02:29:46] norway does this they why not pay americans for their data why not pay every american for their data well and as you point out or somebody pointed out money is kind of made up the federal reserve uh pumped 22 billion dollars into the economy last week because the banking system was showing signs of stress and they just where did that money come from they just print it they made it yeah they made it we gave 40 billion to argentina for goodness sake yeah you know meanwhile people yeah people are starving

[02:30:16] in american streets it's insane on halloween not to the fed uh injected 50.35 billion dollars into the u.s economy because of a short-term credit crunch i suppose that's probably enough to give some money to people for ubi i don't know if it's enough i don't know but i mean but the thing is is let's say let's say the the top let's say any company that runs an and llm or ai that's been llm

[02:30:43] that's based on a internet scraping model which is most of them like all of the biggest ones like people should just be paid for that data i mean i've argued this whole i mean i've been arguing since i was 20 years old that like we our data we should be paid for our data like we should be compensated for our data i know that we have to give our data for a lot of things and to make some technology better like i understand that but also like don't don't just give away your data like we have so much

[02:31:10] power as consumers we could all effectively be like no i don't think we're going to do that anymore i think you need to pay us for that somebody's making a lot of money from all this data of course yeah of course well they're well they're not having to pay that's that's the other problem it's like they're not having to pay for that data they they want it to be free forever yeah it's a it's a fascinating reverse ferret by the technology industry and the publishing industry what's a

[02:31:36] reverse ferret uh fast turnaround um it looks like something you don't want to google but you don't want to put it in your pants i can tell you that right now that's you know trousering ferrets is a yorkshire tradition um you seal off the bottom of the trousers you put a ferret or a ferret into your trousers and the winner is the one who keeps it in their longest i'm not kidding look it up there it's this is actually still they call it this is my favorite fact i've learned today favorite thing

[02:32:02] i've learned today 100 trousering is actually the name of it yeah it's um it's a long-standing tradition going back to when people drank a lot more but you don't have to be a little inebriated to put a ferret down your pants they used to do that circus circus in the 90s but yeah yes i think you might have seen that in vegas the last time you were there it was a midway act there was the acrobats and then there was a trousering yeah so yes the media companies and

[02:32:31] do you remember back to you know lime wire uh you know when that those sort of things first came out you know data theft is a crime it you know you wouldn't steal a car that sort of thing but now oh no it's fine really steal it from us it's fine if they're using it stealing it from us they're like oh no no this is how it should be but not the other way around can't do that wait a minute i just got it a reverse ferret is a tariff really yeah i've used it that way but oh and i've i've just actually

[02:32:59] looked it up i'm wrong it isn't ferret trousering it's ferret legging oh there's a wikipedia page on it i'll put i think it's more um kind of more descriptive to call it ferret trousering legging could be a variety of things well see trousering puts it in a very specific geographic location we know where yes exactly i think that that's a i think you maybe have a better turn of phrase here yeah ferret legging what i think you've i think you've i think you've usurped the leg yeah no i don't want that

[02:33:26] i mean let's put it in the trousers that's right yeah just put it in the discord but yes it was don't ferrets have rather sharp teeth oh yes sharp pointy teeth and very scratchy claws and they're and they're also um cranky especially when you put them down your i was gonna say if you if you put anything down your trousers chances are it's gonna get cranky okay just asking for a friend

[02:33:50] i'll take the fifth there thank you you know you know the story okay we're gonna take a break uh five we have the final stories which are equally amusing we're gonna we're gonna finish it off with uh with dessert coming up as we continue uh this week in tech with ashley esketha rank janko records i almost called you ranko jetkers janko yeah reverse fairy tree here i've reversed fair tree here and

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[02:39:44] in love with uh of the of the french detectives let me see if i can find this picture uh the french detectives lined up actually the the police lined up in front of their cars and then somebody who looked like hercule poirot in a fedora and a vest do you remember this picture yeah he although it should be pointed out that poirot is belgian not french all right all right all right

[02:40:14] but this famous uh picture which i loved so much i clipped it i just thought it was it was so cool i considered dressing up as him for halloween i couldn't put off but they they he made he became a uh a internet legend as the fedora man right and i just assumed oh he must be the guy in charge of the investigation no he's a 15 year old who in fact that's his mother in the red scarf behind him

[02:40:42] oh my god he just happened to be there he was photographed that sunday the picture went viral um it he's a local teenage fan of sherlock holmes and hercule poirot and he dresses like that every day he loves to dress like that he said we were going to the louvre with our family i didn't know there was a heist i just was there he asked about the closure and an ap photographer taking a picture of the

[02:41:11] security cordon happened to capture him in the frame uh he had borrowed he borrowed the vest from his grandfather he i mean the whole thing he says i like to be chic i go to school like this my goodness he must get bullied senseless he's french it's okay yeah i was gonna say he is my god he is so french not being a bully i think they need to put that picture in the louvre that's i agree

[02:41:41] and did you also heard about the louvre password yes oh my god tell us what it was uh louvre but you had to capitalize by the way no i think it was all lowercase wasn't it oh oh i mean even worse it's it's it's kind of like okay nobody is is out of the loop on this the us military safety code for nuclear weapons used to be eight zeros that's true even so if you're the louvre and you've

[02:42:10] got all these priceless antiques and nobody actually thought to say you know what why don't use a password manager and do this properly yeah they should have used bid warden anyway ladies and gentlemen meet uh pedro what's his name it pedro elias garzón delveux i thought didn't dress like that with that name i'd be disappointed he's very depper and uh he is now internet famous

[02:42:35] in a very good way i think it's also what's so great about this story like we talked today about all these terrible things going on in the world terrible things going on online and every now and then this stuff still goes viral and everybody gets excited about it i love it and you kind of remember how good the internet used to be at some point or at least a site that we all loved about the internet and it's still kind of there it's still gonna exist every now and again we get those great pop

[02:43:01] pop culture moments where everybody comes together and has like a little party on social media and it's it's really good still it's still really good but man i wish there were more of them i do that my favorite uh my favorite post on blue sky about the louvre password was someone reach reposted it and said i owe so many video game designers an apology and i thought that was the perfect post

[02:43:25] to to describe that password yeah it was a password for the camera system not the security system just to be fair i mean it wasn't like they yeah rode up in the cherry picker i know it wasn't a good password we know that you have the most price you have some of the most priceless works of art on the earth and you oh it just yeah that's uh that's crazy by the way soon you will not be able to get on

[02:43:52] social media in denmark well he's a couple of months ago uh a couple of french museums got uh got ransomware completely uh and one of them got broken into and had gold nuggets stolen out of their natural history up from natural history museum so i think the french really need to work on this on this security thing you know yeah you know that's what happened to me the last time i did ferret trousering um i thought so much trouble with yorkshire

[02:44:22] i thought ashley you might have something to say about the fact that grand theft auto six has now been delayed again it's going to be a year next from now yeah a year from now just until you know what i'm glad that they did it after the elections i i will give them that thank you for not giving people a reason to say you think we'll need something you think we'll need something just not giving people a reason to stay home like it's like because now i think no one will be able to have an excuse of like

[02:44:48] oh i'm playing if you stay home to play grand theft auto six maybe you shouldn't be voting i that's listen just a thought i don't disagree with you but also like we gotta get we gotta get people to polls uh yeah this is uh they delayed it so um big time is it gonna be duke newcomb forever is it ever no no no this is a real game um it's down god it was down like seven percent

[02:45:13] in uh in extended trading hours i think it's a the ea for for shareholders did not take the news well that was um that was not a take take two is the the company um but but isn't it a that maybe i'm wrong i thought ea distributed no 2k 2k does yeah not yes not any news on half-life 3 we have been waiting wait i was laughing i saw something say there was a rumor about half-life

[02:45:39] three and then somebody else had said like my brother my brother in games it's been 20 years market we're gonna about to mark the 20 year anniversary of rumors of half-life three yes oh my god oh that aged me real hard um but also very true um but yeah so so gta 6 um it was it was supposed to launch this year it got delayed uh i believe until april of next year maybe may

[02:46:06] of next year and then now it's being pushed um of course it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they just fired a whole bunch of people for trying to unionize which they claim was not the case they say actually it was because they were leaking company secrets like but conveniently all of those people or most of them which were attempting to unionize so um a lot of stuff kind of a little gray area happening in there um but uh but i think it's hard because so listen every video game

[02:46:35] shipped is a miracle and a game this big uh to to ship a game like that is to take the extra time feels like it's worth it for them to not have if they have any game breaking bugs if they have any you know major issues at launch i mean that is that is yeah remember what happened to cyberpunk 2077 that's not they can't do that they cannot do that like it's just it's not a thing they're going to be able to do yes they will be able to patch the game yes they will it's going to be an ongoing i'm sure

[02:47:04] like live service game very similar to gta online um but uh but yeah i think this is just such a it's such a big game like i it's sort of like crossed over into this like mythical territory in like the games community where people i think the expectations might be getting into the unrealistic at this point but i i don't i genuinely don't know how it's going to turn out maybe they're putting

[02:47:31] big electronic voting into grand theft auto yeah well it's not it's the second i believe it's the second biggest minecraft is the biggest game franchise it is it is by far and away but mine minecraft is one game well they i mean micro is a platform it's a platform game a franchise make they have minecraft dungeons yeah but that's still all it is a persistent yeah it is a persistent game but

[02:47:57] i mean who's to say that gta 6 is not going to try to create something of a fortnite-esque like a metaverse-y type contained sort of thing where it's like oh this is going to be now a persistent you know living thing that we're going to update so i only say that to say that like it's like actually it's what keeps to 2k and take two games afloat like gta keeps that whole company this is their tent pole this is their tent pole franchise like this is this is the thing and it's like they they are

[02:48:27] i think gta 6 like it makes me worried because i feel like it is a little bit like too big to fail at this point um but uh yeah it's a listen i am always glad if you're gonna spend extra time polishing your game and maybe giving your developers less crunch like those things sound great um but of course you know like investors never want to hear that you're delaying a game and customers never want to hear that you're delaying a game how about pluribus let's talk about that we said we were

[02:48:56] going to uh talk about it at the beginning of the show this is the new apple tv show that debuted last night it's so good everyone should watch it's really good they only have two episodes you can only watch two i hate that yeah i like to binge it's you know what though i like that they're doing that because we have been missing for a long time in the binge model the opportunity to have water cooler talks about each episode and apple smart they even have a podcast associated with it that

[02:49:25] they promote severance is a great example of why you should let people just especially when you're creating a show that's a little bit of a mystery box yeah apple's been very talk about it vince gilligan the creator guy who created breaking bad and better call saul has been very careful about what they've revealed the trailers reveal nothing uh except that we know ria seorn who was of course one of

[02:49:49] this the standouts of better call saul is the star of this show uh we know it's something about because the tagline is uh something like the unhappiest person in the world um but it really didn't tell you what the show was about until you need more of that you know and also i like it with actually the episodic side of things i mean a good example is great british bake-off you know because they won't put that on netflix until a week after it's screened on tv so for a week you've

[02:50:18] got people just talking online about did you see so and so wasn't that an amazing cake and what a disaster but you know yeah yeah and it's it gives people that opportunity to like have that communal conversation about it i mean severance is a great example of them doing that they they gave people the opportunity but if you look at something like for example stranger things uh the first you know half of the last season or whatever that came out or squid games is another really good example

[02:50:44] talk about a show that really captured the zeitgeist like when it came out during the i believe the pandemic and then everybody watched that first season it was incredible everyone was kind of talking about it and then they dropped the entire like first half of the second season like in a chunk and then the other half and people were done talking about it after a week because everyone had binge watched it talked about everything and it was done and dusted and everybody had moved on but that was also maybe because the season wasn't as good i mean the first

[02:51:11] season was binge watching i agree so but even just not letting people talk about it over like week to week i think really hurt the show especially the first half of the second season which was i thought was quite good but then i thought the second half was really uneven but i i think they really missed the mark on and i think this is sort of netflix's kind of cross to bear here is like they really love the binge model and i think it does hurt them in the sense of like having those extended conversations

[02:51:39] drawn out over time that people like people are really excited about collectively watching an episode together i think the counterpoint to that is that the binge model helps shows that maybe wouldn't get as much exposure like especially foreign shows like actually even something like squid game that the first season became so popular if they had just like released one episode at a time like it really takes some momentum it takes some time so people getting excited and really into it and talking

[02:52:07] about it required was required for it to get such a global success and i don't know if that would have happened if they had started with like a week per episode model it's something that comes completely left field yeah i think you're right that people should i think you're right that the studios really need to look at everything as a case by case because a show like squid game has a very clear premise right up front and so it's not a mystery that's unfolding it's not something that like requires that like week-to-week

[02:52:35] discussion like a lost for example is a very similar like type of show that would require a week-to-week like give people the breathing room to talk about it but i think that i think that you're right i think there is space for both of those like i do think that like it doesn't have to be just one or the other but i do i do think that shows like this in particular really benefit from the weekly release drop i also think it has to do with the show like the create it's a creative decision and uh

[02:53:02] i think the person who created the show should get to choose frankly i don't think it should be chosen by marketing executives i think the guy it's just like um you know in the day when musicians said we're going to make an album and you got to buy the whole album you're going to play it all the way through because it's a conceptual thing um i think this is what the creative should get to decide anyway vince gilligan i don't know if he had anything to do with it uh being you know week by week but it is

[02:53:29] apple's given it two years and so far i think the reviews are pretty positive it could be apple's biggest hit yet and it's an interesting premise as well i like the sound of it i love the premise yeah the log line is great and and do you think now you haven't seen it right ian and you haven't seen it yanko nope but but ashley's seen it and i've seen it my wife's insists

[02:53:56] it's gonna turn bad it's not the show is not gonna be bad but it's gonna something really it's like these aliens there's something afoot yeah well so the log line of the show is the most miserable person on earth must save the world from happiness right and um yes and i think that you should never bet against vince gilligan yes he is really good he is really i almost said someone in the chat said is

[02:54:22] it's gonna break bad and i almost said that it is gonna break bad that's exactly what she's saying yep it's gonna break bad it's gonna make a left turn somewhere last story i always uh i often end this show with obituaries but uh very rarely uh an obituary like this after 200 years the farmer's almanac is shutting down for god press f to pay respects oh i we used to get the old farmer's almanac

[02:54:49] the tradition was you'd get the old farmer's almanac and then when the new year came and then use the old one in the outhouse for toilet paper but uh no that was not my tradition but we used to get the old farmer's almanac it would tell you the weather for the whole year ahead of time 200 years 100 years man that is that's wild yeah and yet reader's digest is still going i've been lighthouse digest is

[02:55:16] still going uh well that'll be because that's distribution model is very good for lighthouse so i have a feeling uh i mean we've seen a lot of print magazines go this has been a bad decade for print but uh this is this is one that is going to be kind of sad i think to to lose it's i've got to say the the sheer audacity of saying this is what the weather is going to be for the next year was is just mind-boggling but you know it's got all those uh you know little inspiration i don't think

[02:55:46] red sky at night shepherd's delight yeah exactly shepherd's house is burning that's the thing when they remake back to the future he's going to go to the future and they're gonna be like sorry we don't make we don't print the sports almanac anymore like wow sorry about that wow um 207 years a fond farewell to the old i mean hey listen if you have a business and it lasts for 207 years i know i feel

[02:56:14] like you could call that a win i know i feel like we celebrate our 207th anniversary we might be willing to call it that's what i'm saying like rowdy listen if rowdy skeleton makes it to 207 years in business i feel like i could accept that as a win what does rowdy skeleton do i love the name what is rowdy skeleton well inside of every person is a skeleton fighting to get out all the time leo and i don't know if you know that's so true the skeletons always win by the way um but uh just like inside my

[02:56:41] pants is a ferret trying to escape always trying to escape we're rowdy skeleton uh we are a media train we do a lot of media training so we do media training for tech and uh video games in particular because we helped build modern media it's me and ross miller formerly uh one of the one of the founding

[02:57:04] editors of the verge uh we do things like uh we have created major workshops for fortune 50 companies we've done uh smaller stuff on zoom we do remote work we do all kinds of uh media training production uh we also do like we're doing some sponsored content for some familiar faces that you might start seeing soon that are redacted that i'm not allowed to talk about um but rowdy skeleton uh yeah we're that's

[02:57:31] that's what we do and i am i'm really proud of it i'm really proud of the work that we do and i really love that our biggest goal is to a lot of people who start working in tech and games like they don't get into it to be on camera and a lot of times they are called to be on camera because of the shift to video and so that things like um you know developer directs or state of play or you know things like that you're seeing project leads that are not necessarily comfortable being placed

[02:57:59] in front of a camera to talk about their video game or a founder for their startup like they're not used to that i see that and i feel for them because i know how and i feel for them it's hard it's really hard and so and it is a skill and so we um we like to tell everybody that we train that you do not have to be an introvert or you don't have to be an extrovert to be good at it and if you're an introvert you don't you can be good at this um and you can still be authentic you don't have to

[02:58:24] pretend to have a big personality there's a thing called presence that can draw people in even if you are not big personality wise like if you're not loud or you gesticulate a lot and so um so yeah so we um so we do a lot of media training and it's uh it's it's really nice for me to be able to like help people have confidence speaking in front of the camera and also i want them to be successful i want the things they work on to be successful and if i can help them deliver that message in

[02:58:50] a compelling way that feels authentic to them and to their audience then like i'm happy to help i have a uh a retraction to make already oh my gosh apparently the farmer's almanac which is 207 years old is not the same thing as the old farmer's almanac which comes back to even farther i had no

[02:59:13] idea so the old farmer's almanac i want to be very clear is still around oh the old farmer's almanac straight up took it's 234 years old and it's still going apparently after all this time they finally put the farmer's almanac out of business can you imagine if you're the if you're the person running the old farmer's almanac it's like this is the greatest day of your life yeah finally finally

[02:59:39] it was the old farmer's almanac that i used to get the one with the yellow cover they're still around so i apologize you're still gonna get that you're still gonna get that in the mail to use this toilet paper leo you're doing all right thank goodness the outhouse is not gonna go without the out good news for ferrets everywhere they're like their website that says we're we're still

[03:00:03] going strong 234 years we're still going strong okay wow i love it uh i had no idea um yanko records lowpass.cc i think you're doing well yes yeah i'm doing all right uh got this new syndication deal with the verge going which is i think that's great that's good news but if you want to read all of it go to lowpass.cc and subscribe 17 000 ar vr and streaming executives enthusiasts subscribe

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