TWiT 1065: AI Action Park - DeepSeek's mHC Model Training Breakthrough!

[00:00:00] It's time for TWiT This Week in Tech. Coming up, Dan Patterson from Blackbird.ai and Joey DeVilla, AI developer advocate, a couple of AI experts. We're going to talk about Andre Karpathy saying he can't keep up anymore. This is the guy who invented vibe coding. We'll also talk about the FCC killing that plan to improve home security and those nude images on Grok, plus why kids can't read clocks anymore. TWiT is next.

[00:00:32] Podcasts you love. From people you trust. This is TWiT. This is TWiT, This Week in Tech. Episode 1065, recorded Sunday, January 4th, 2026. AI Action Park. It's time for TWiT, This Week in Tech. Yes, we're back. Happy New Year, everyone. The first show of 2026.

[00:01:01] It's so great to see you. I'm thrilled that you're here. I also want to welcome our panel this week. This is going to be fun. A brand new member of the TWiT community. We interviewed him on Intelligent Machines. He is a developer advocate for AI. Joey DeVilla, his blog Globalnerdy.com. Joey, it's great to see you. YouTuber, blogger, AI guru. Well, thank you very much and great to be here. Thank you for having me.

[00:01:29] I loved it so much when you were on IM. I said, get this guy on TWiT. So we're thrilled to have you. We're also thrilled to have Dan Patterson here. Dan went through a little bit of a health scare, but you seem like you're looking fit and ready to run. Yeah. Well, I don't know about ready to run, but it was a challenging year of oncology appointments.

[00:01:56] But I got a clean bill of health now. The prognosis is good? So far, so good. I mean, the long story short is I had some tumors removed from my neck in October and had to rush back a couple of days after the first surgery for I had a hematoma inside my neck. Oh my gosh. And had a wonderful medical team and a nice long stay at NYU Langone, but all is well now.

[00:02:23] Well, I'm good. I'm glad to hear it. And I hope you have health insurance. Yes. Blackbird is a fantastic company. Good. Oh, that's right. I didn't mention he's the senior director of content at Blackbird AI. We've got two AI experts here, which is a good thing because 2025 was the year of AI. And 2026 at this point looks to be even more spectacular. I remember talking to a guy who worked at an AI company.

[00:02:48] His company was responsible for fine tuning the models, you know, down the road. And this was a couple of years ago. He said, this is going to be a very weird decade. He said, it's hard to explain, but what we're about to see is going to change everything. At the time I thought, yeah, I could see that happening.

[00:03:15] But increasingly, I'm increasingly convinced that's the case. And by the way, both good and bad. Right, Joey? I mean, we're inundated with AI slop. There's no doubt about that. Yes. The promises of a super intelligence have yet to be lived up to, which is probably a good thing. I would agree. I would agree.

[00:03:39] Let's figure out what we're doing right now with these artificial intelligences that we do have before we create the supreme intelligence. And you could certainly make the case that the economics of AI at this point are a little iffy. They're weird, like one third of the stock market? Yeah. Something like that. The Magnificent Seven dominate not just the Dow Industrial.

[00:04:07] In fact, they don't dominate the Dow Industrial. They dominate the S&P 500. Yeah. And fully 1% of our GDP growth last year was from AI, none of which at this point is profitable. What has been really interesting to me, at least the story through 2025 and looks to be in 2026, is the productization of AI.

[00:04:32] And kind of the split between the top of mind AI companies between a business focus and a consumer focus and seeing like Anthropic and Google really invest in business. And Google, of course, because they have such diversity of resources or such vast resources, they've created a diversity of products.

[00:04:57] So, you know, it was only 18 months or so ago, two years ago that there was kind of a good, healthy gut chuckle about Bard and their Google's ineptitude with consumer AI. And I remember the also gut chuckles about the AI summaries that would appear above Google searches. And those kinks have been pretty fully worked out.

[00:05:25] Those products, those consumer products seem to be going gangbusters. And on the other side, we see Microsoft using open AI and we see Anthropic with almost every large business. Well, not that's an exaggeration with many large businesses tapped into the API and using AI as a business resource.

[00:05:50] So really seeing these products develop was the real story, AI story that I saw emerge in 2025 and I expect to continue to develop in 2026. There is, of course, the data center story and how these large data centers are kind of driving up RAM prices for both businesses and consumers.

[00:06:09] Yeah, you know, one of the things that we talked a lot about in 2025 is the electric cost, the water costs and then, of course, the hardware costs of AI. But some of that has been over reported. Karen Howe, who spread the story that AI was consuming vast amounts of water, has since retracted that. And in fact, but I still hear it from everybody. I had a, I got in a fight with my daughter during the Christmas break.

[00:06:40] Because she said, oh, it's just, it's taking all our water. And I said, it's actually taking a fraction of the amount of water as the nation's golf courses. So, so I don't know, you, I guess we could get rid of golf and AI, but maybe we should, you know, really think about this. um and by the way uh the water doesn't disappear it's not being sent into space it's it's still on the planet in fact most ai water is recirculated anyway she said well what about elon musk's uh

[00:07:09] plants that he's powering with natural gas and creating huge pollution i said that's not an ai problem that's an elon musk problem it doesn't have to be that way uh so there are i mean i will i will stipulate there are definitely problems with ai but i agree with you dan i think especially when you look at anthropic and google and then maybe if we throw in some of the uh really interesting stuff being done out of china right now uh it's pretty clear we've made significant progress i use claude

[00:07:38] code daily now and i don't have the 200 a month ultra subscribers i just have a 20 a month subscription it is great as an assistant it is great oh google's talking to me i mentioned i said the g word oh i'm sorry go away oh now it's playing a video about ai hey google stop it's too helpful

[00:08:02] right there's also you know open ai has has caught a lot of flack and and i'm not advocating for them one way or the other but they have certainly turned into the consumer angle and their products have gone from being kind of mid like their consumer products a year ago even six months ago were just meh but now their consumer products are somewhat compelling i i don't use their consumer products and chat gpt

[00:08:30] that kind of thing yeah i mean chat gpt is integrating some pretty interesting features uh their image creation has certainly improved uh you know banana is the winner right now though yeah right exactly um and sora you know i don't know that there's been large-scale consumer adoption i think that was a flash in the pan wasn't it yeah but it was number one interesting and then everybody tired of it yeah what's interesting to me is not so much the success or failure of these products but that

[00:08:59] the strategic direction that they've elected to to take and although their api is very compelling and a number of businesses definitely use that api uh their focus or their double down on consumer products is what's really kind of interesting to me yeah in fact if that's that's one thing that has changed uh in the past year all these companies were working really hard to get competent ai less hallucinating

[00:09:26] ai but now the differentiator isn't really so much the model they're all really very similar it's it's the targeted audience and how it's being used yeah which is very interesting i i mean you you're right the the story last year the year before was hallucinations and now if somebody tells me why i just hallucinate it's um and you know i i do have some frustration with the uh and i still

[00:09:54] write for zdnet i still consider myself a journalist in many ways but much of the journalism community seems to have rightfully a distrust of many of the ai companies but an equal amount of um lack of knowledge of these products um but seeing how these products can assist technologies or or human behavior and productivity to me really reminds me of do you remember the the early days of photoshop

[00:10:23] and yeah and when adobe just like that right it it doesn't the same complaints by the way yeah we were saying oh you'll never know if a photo's real again yes i i had those exact conversations in newsrooms and when i was a younger reporter i had those conversations that's exactly what i think about leo is well you'll never be able like yes we can tell if a photo was doctor and we just like we can tell if a photo is ai in fact at blackbird not to log world for blackboard but we make products that

[00:10:51] will help you tell if a product if a photo or if a claim is real or not and those things you know i remember having those conversations about a year ago 18 months ago well is can we tell will we be able to tell will we have to watermark like well you know actually we can use ai to figure out if it's real or not yeah i mean i again i don't want to downplay there are negatives and ai slop of course

[00:11:16] one of the negatives for sure go on x.com you want to see a lot of ai slop it's that's pretty much all x has become um so and and if you go there it's kind of depressing because it is so sloppy uh we'll talk about the trouble they got into this week in just a little bit but you posted uh you actually put a link in our rundown uh joey uh of a a tweet or a x post from andre kaparthi who i by the way is my

[00:11:45] personal guru for ai his videos have been very informative so he wasn't working my way through them yeah yeah he was yeah one of them's three and a half the best one is three and a half hours long it's a bit of a slug but very very good he was at tesla um he is now kind of is on his own um he says i've so this is what he and you would think he's the guy who knows right he's the guy who's yeah i'm looking to to figure out how to use this stuff he says i've never felt this much behind as a programmer

[00:12:16] the profession is being dramatically refactors as the bits contributed by the program are increasingly sparse and between i have a sense that i could be 10x more powerful if i just properly string together what has become available over the last year i feel the same way with cloud code by the way and a failure to claim the boost feels decidedly like a skill issue he's falling behind he says clearly some powerful alien tool was handed around except it comes with no manual and everyone has to

[00:12:45] figure out how to hold it and operate it while the resulting magnitude 9 earthquake is rocking the professions roll up your sleeves to not fall behind he's the guy who coined the term vibe coding yeah and he can't keep up and remember vibe coding he that term is not a year old yet that doesn't happen until february that is how new that is how new the the term is and just the general popular concept

[00:13:12] is so uh you know i'm kind of thinking maybe it's one of those end of year things where sometimes some people just feel a little depressed yeah it was december 26th when he posted this so maybe you're right yeah you know maybe it was some bad eggnog but you know a lot of people around that time of year are going oh my god what what am i doing with my life but it is an entirely different thing for carpathy

[00:13:39] right say that that's like i don't know cookie monster going maybe these cookie things aren't all all cracked no more cookie uh uh but i but i understand his feeling and the funny thing is it reflects a feeling i had when i first started covering technology when i first moved to silicon valley when i first encountered the public internet of overwhelm like i can never keep up and this was

[00:14:06] 30 or 40 years ago okay i do you i mean do you guys remember that i feeling that way i could can't keep up is moving too fast oh yeah and this was when oh i was at queen's university and in fact actually uh for elon and i have some overlap there uh and by the way queen's not queens new york queen's university

[00:14:31] kingston ontario canada canada okay yes that queen yes was it elizabeth the first or second or was it victoria oh wait what was she named after no it would have been victoria yeah okay it would it would have been named after queen let's get our queens from that era and um yeah no i remember uh yeah a computer powerful enough to do our assignments we had to go to the lab we had a lab provided to us

[00:14:58] by digital if you remember that company yeah my uncle worked for digital there we go yeah and they got bought up by compact who got bought up by hp but yeah we had a bigger fish eating yeah actually it's like a littler fish eating a bigger fish it's kind of the opposite and in deck lab all of a sudden all the uh gooey unix machines that we had all of a sudden had mosaic on them oh a browser yeah and that

[00:15:25] just that just opened the world it was wild because before then um i was either on usenet right and we may have to explain yeah we may have to explain that to people or archie yep yep archie veronica yeah i remember on mosaic by the way mark andreessen one of the authors not the sole author but one of the authors of mosaic he later turned that into netscape turned that into a fortune and

[00:15:49] turned that into well i don't know what he's become now but anyway uh uh i remember using mosaic and seeing this is i still remember this there was a little a compass i'm watching looking at the screen because it was just text and there was a little uh animated gif of a compass with the needle moving and it blew my mind oh yeah yeah wow boy that's a blast from the past it blew my mind it's moving

[00:16:16] there was a sense of openness and hope and fun with the internet in the 90s and early 2000s maybe we've learned better yes cynicism has set in because because really you're right i mean uh i remember john perry barlow's you know cyberspace manifesto oh yeah people of earth you know leave us alone we this is

[00:16:42] and we all had this great utopian vision of what the internet was going to do uh we didn't really foresee social media uh phone addictions we didn't foresee some of the consequences of this um but like any technology it's a it's a double-edged sword right i mean youtube's a good example where

[00:17:07] yes there are more videos uploaded to youtube every minute than you could watch in a lifetime literally literally so that you can't it's it's an overwhelming tidal wave of content and much of it is garbage yes much of it is terrible but some of it's from joey davila some of it's some of it and and i always said yeah okay so everybody gets a voice and there's a lot more content but just as there's a lot more content there'll be a lot more that even though there's a small

[00:17:36] percentage of all content is really great that percentage means there'll be even more great content and i think that that's true do you remember uh surely you remember adam curry and pod show yeah oh yeah which yeah right oh don't get me started go ahead sure it's a long relationship but at one point i'll just give you one one thing just so you know just to set the stage adam and i uh were doing

[00:18:04] a john devorex a cranky geek show yeah and adam had just started pod show which was a directory of podcasts i was signed to pod show yeah well he tried to excite me yeah he said leo you're gonna make wife leaving money they promised me very similar stuff and i said 100 bucks a month i don't want to leave my wife adam screw you i that would that literally was the end of my relationship and boy i was i was

[00:18:30] right not to get involved with pod show look what happened to loria petrucci which was cali oh yeah sure yeah getting out of that contract he owned all that content yeah he owned the masters he was kind of he was kind of like uh he took it from the record executives yeah i said my contract i kept everything i kept ownership of everything i mean i well i had mentors who were from the music business and so i insisted on like i keep all of my i own every it was essentially distribution deal that included

[00:18:59] satellite radio which was big at the time um but i i remember talking to uh their ceo it became a company called mevio and they had a ceo named ron something i can't remember his last name but i remember him before youtube blew up uh maybe oh five or oh six and him saying one day the internet right

[00:19:22] now the internet is like 80 20 mainstream media to uh our there wasn't create the term creator at the time but like creator uh own content but one day it will be 80 percent creator content and the mainstream media will shrink like well one thing that guy said he was right about that yeah he actually was very smart and had a lot of vision uh i will give him credit for that really and a deep understanding

[00:19:49] uh he was an mtvvj who uh when the internet came along registered mtv.com in his own name and got viacom was they had a little tussle over that uh it's a very famous case and actually added to the case love who owns domain names but uh so he was smart he was a visionary in that respect and he was absolutely right

[00:20:14] in fact this was last year was the year youtube became the number one content purveyor on people's tvs in their living room yep and that's where instagram is now refactoring is to get on tvs yep not that that's a good thing but it's the growth strategy yeah hey joey uh center your camera a little bit so that you're not uh leaning over on the frame a little bit like no other direction there you go we

[00:20:41] the octopus no no see how you're just this way thank you okay there we go we i have to explain joey's first time on the show that there is something about technology podcasting that draws a slightly ocd crowd and if anything is just a little bit off it bugs oh yeah it does if i listen to a show and it's over

[00:21:08] compressed or yeah so we're all a little ocd so that's why i bring it up i don't want people to be distracted by that comes with the territory there is a lot of ai news uh we're going to get actually let me take a break and we'll get to that um a lot of things happened over the christmas break i was talking with benito our producer benito gonzalez uh who by the way is uh in manila this is the other thing that changed dramatically thanks to the internet is nobody has to work in the office anymore and you can

[00:21:38] live anywhere in the world and we can all work together dan you're in where new jersey new york new york joey where are you tampa i'm in petaluma california here we go and benito's in the philippines doesn't matter right anyway i was saying to benito uh that a lot of um kind of a little sketchy acquisitions and moves happened in the ai industry over the christmas break and i was saying i think these

[00:22:06] people think nobody's paying attention during the holidays so that's the time to do things like i don't know invade countries and and buy other companies and so forth and uh and benito point out there that's because they still think there's a news cycle there's no news cycle yeah but they're still playing the old news cycle game of what's called taking out the trash you announce the bad stuff on a friday right but does it fool anybody anymore oh not me because i got a show on sunday

[00:22:36] i'm i'm looking all week long and by the way the other thing companies thought is we're going to get everybody to move back into the office how's that going for you nobody wants to return to work all right we're going to take a break it's joey de villa it's great to have you uh at global nerdy.com i've asked him to play the accordion for us a little bit later on he's encouraging me he's in because i i've been learning the piano this year in 2025 that was my

[00:23:04] year to learn the piano and uh and i i played old lang syne on the piano and uh at the end of the year but uh maybe it wasn't you i thought so i thought it was you who said you know if you know the piano it's not such a big step to go to the accordion that was me yeah yeah that's what i thought i'm and i've been tempted ever since to buy an accordion you know it is a machine that turns

[00:23:27] music into free beer if you take it to ours it's always somebody's birthday at a bar what about those little holes though i could do the keyboard and it's a sideways so i'm gonna have to figure that out but don't you have to do the holes a little bit and i can bellow now the buttons are just chords oh oh that's easy that's very and they are arranged in a pattern that so i don't have to i i can hit a f major just by hitting a button instead of hitting the three keys that is correct and what that allows

[00:23:56] you to do is hold a beer in your right hand and have a drink all of rock and roll can be played on those buttons yes it's an amazing thing anyway it's great to have you joey first time great to be on uh on the big show ai developer advocate he uh freelances all over and of course he's on youtube but his blog is a great place to start it's a really fun blog too by the way global nerdy oh thank you dot com dan patterson is also here senior director of content blackbird.ai we'll

[00:24:25] talk about blackbird uh a little later on because it really is a very useful tool for debunking uh uh bs in the in the world which we all need nowadays uh and he also has a lovely uh newsletter called the news which you can subscribe to at news.danpatterson.com great to have you both our show today

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[00:27:33] uh all right let's see some ai news i promised nvidia got busy over the holidays doing kind of a weird thing they uh this i feel like this is not a good trend in ai they basically hollowed out a company spent 20 billion dollars not to acquire the company but to acquire its brains in effect

[00:28:03] um the the acquisition was of grok not elon's rock with a q rock with a q it's a nine-year-old firm it's it's it was started by the google's tpu engineers it was never up for sale nvidia came in with a 20 20 billion dollar deal not to buy it but to license their technology and to bring the leaders

[00:28:29] including jonathan ross over which if i were working at grok with a q i would be a little perturbed by because this means or if i were an investor maybe the investors get get paid do they get a cut i don't know uh i don't know the nature of that particular deal uh this is this these are these are very

[00:28:53] important uh brains in behind transformers so uh this is a very important brain acquisition for nvidia but it's not the first time we've seen this uh the same thing meta did the same thing right where they hollow out a company they hire its brains and then but the rank and file are kind of left high and dry aren't they yeah what do i do google i think google did that with maybe character ai as well yeah yeah

[00:29:19] i'm trying to i was trying to remember who it was for that there's a new name for this mg siegler has dubbed it a hackquisition remember we had acquire we used to have higher yeah where you buy a company to hire its team now they don't even bother buying it they just hackquisition it so the creator of the tpu

[00:29:42] is now an nvidia employee and the people who are still working at grok with the q are left high and dry i don't know they i don't think they get this 20 billion dollars if they have common shares probably not but i would imagine the investors must be paid off and the board i i could i can't imagine a board of directors investors and the b and the board has to sign off on yeah exactly this can't just

[00:30:07] happen right willy-nilly um anyway this is uh this is a new trend in ai i don't you know there's not much to mention certainly uh jensen huang of nvidia has a fat fat wallet and can do a lot of this uh so does uh mark zuckerberg uh he just bought manus m-a-n-u-s which is a singapore startup that now this

[00:30:35] is not an old company this this is less than a year old they had a demo video that showed an ai agent doing things like screening job candidates planning vacations and analyzing stock portfolios uh they were funded by benchmark giving them a post money valuation of half a billion dollars um i wonder what their what that agent is built on though well i wonder if it's built on llama

[00:31:04] which is meta's open weights model likely yeah which would make sense then for so uh meta is paying two billion dollars which is the amount of money manis was looking for in its next funding round two billion that's a deal that's chump change for mark with an instagram one billion yeah and whatsapp

[00:31:27] was 26 yeah whatsapp ended up i think being 32 once the stock got inflated yeah that but you i don't know if whatsapp was worth it but instagram was definitely worth it right instagram's gotta be i mean everyone uses whatsapp yeah that's true but do they make money how do they make money you know they're gonna have to they're gonna have to rework that line from a the social network where uh oh they're

[00:31:52] not a they no facebook is old hat mark mark already pivoted to meta right to the metaverse the meta but no they're gonna have to rework the line where they go you know a million dollars isn't cool you know what's cool a billion dollars they're gonna have to move it up now it's gonna be i always want to do the pinky when i hear that a billion that was yeah that was now they're gonna have to say

[00:32:15] a billion dollars isn't cool you know what's cool a trillion trillion open ai opened a job position for the head of preparedness they are offering a 555 000 a year salary plus stock that's not stock that's cash plus stock for the head of preparedness uh sam altman said this will be a stressful job

[00:32:44] and you'll jump into the deep end pretty much immediately it's a critical role to help the world the guardian says and what may be close to the impossible job the head of preparedness at open ai will be directly responsible for defending against risks from ever more powerful ai to human mental health somebody joked that's a lot of money for somebody who just sits next to the kill switch all day

[00:33:10] pull the plug that sounds like you interface with all like a pr job it does sound like a pr job the successful candidate will be responsible for evaluating and mitigating emerging threats and quote tracking and comparing for frontier capabilities that create new risks of severe harm they've had people in this job but none of them have lasted very long it has uh it has a high burnout rate and uh since i'm

[00:33:39] actually in job search mode right now i have a million well that's quite a billion so i've been using and you know what being canadian i pronounce it claude because it's a french name it's a french name i don't sounds wrong so i've been using claude and one of the first things i always do is i give it a job description i go evaluate my fit for this job oh so you use claude code as almost others would use chat gpt

[00:34:09] or claude itself you use it as a as an as a chat bot actually uh this is no this is consumer this is consumer cloud oh you're not using good good you're using i'm using cloud code the reason i ask is i know many people in fact i've found myself doing this now who do in fact just why up why launch i'm using opus 4 5 i'm using the latest model i chat with cloud code and you know what i should actually i should do that i

[00:34:38] mean i use warp as a terminal anyway so if you're in a terminal i have chats with the terminal anyways for javascript uh for job somebody gives me some javascript code i'm going you know what i have no idea what framework this is written in i have no idea how to launch it you launch it and it does a fantastic job that's kind of a metaphor right yeah like the chat they using a terminal and a chatbot are

[00:35:03] very similar things yeah or a chatbot interface i i i actually now all we all during the christmas break i've been me and claude have been bunding i'm gonna call him claude from now on is it him by the way or is it it uh i i try to use it and in fact actually i want ais to use i want ais to use the

[00:35:27] personal pronouns that ais in classic star trek have used they always smart computers from classic star trek always said this unit and i want them to refer them yeah i want these machines to refer to themselves as this unit i uh i start claude now with the continue command and i keep it running i've decided just to keep a terminal window open at all times and it's always running uh it's fantastic you can i

[00:35:56] ask it the other day what's the name of taylor swift's latest album and it didn't know and then i said try uh searching the web for that and it said oh i'm sorry you're right it's a life of a show girl it corrected itself let me see i wonder if it remembers why is the the claude agents all the time in fact i i will often write or edit alongside the uh consumer version of claude and i use the api every day

[00:36:25] and you can now uh you can tell oh look it's smart it learned it says i'm going to do a web search and i am i am not going to give you the bad answer i gave last time i'm going to do a web search so i keep it running all the time and i have a cloud big claude.md which is the instruction file for it and i say keep that up to date and i keep that maintained i say you know remember what we did

[00:36:52] you know keep track of that conversation yeah look at this so that doesn't use the context window or the context tokens it does oh it does yeah but it's i think a little bit uh the other thing you can do is you can spin up agents and that becomes a separate context window and then you can have the agent boil it down so there's some really interesting stuff going on this uh this just came out uh and i'm going to be able to know how to do that but i'm just trying to know how to do that it's not a great thing for the time and i'm just trying to know how to do that and i'm going to

[00:37:22] get the moment of time and i'm going to go to the next step and then i'll read the next step and i'm going to read what our friend lou mareska who does ai he is responsible for the ai in excel for copilot in excel so he does it for microsoft and lou said i had so mhc stands for manifold constrained hyper connections it's a new technique used by deep seek they announced it

[00:37:49] i think yesterday so this is brand new and i don't really i know i asked you joey you said well i i read the post i read it you know what it reads like sharepoint marketing where you read it and you know less yeah well maybe that's why it took a microsoft guy to uh to figure it out this is what lou wrote and this is he wrote this as a memo to his team to explain this because

[00:38:17] they're in they're they're developing co-pilot he says mhc manifold constrained hyper connections and this was a an archive.org paper that deep seek published is primarily a training stability and scale enabler so i in my mind i think of it kind of like these clod agents where you kind of spin off additional ais to do specific tasks he says imagine you're a busy you're running a busy restaurant

[00:38:45] kitchen hyper connections adds extra prep stations more parallel lanes which can increase throughput now remember we're in a kitchen okay but if cooks can arbitrarily siphon or amplify ingredients between stations the whole workflow becomes chaotic at dinner rush right you know give me your meal pro no that's

[00:39:07] mine mhc is the rule this is the key the rule that every transfer between agents must conserve total ingredients and keep the average seasoning stable plus it reorganizes the counters the tabletops so that people stop bumping into each other on a small kitchen one gpu your constraint is fridge space

[00:39:30] and how fast ingredients move so the new rules only help if the counters were your real bottlenecks clear as mud much clearer than the uh than the archive.org paper so well have you tried to get uh deep seek to explain deep seek oh there you go i did and okay and it uses a water park analogy oh that's great

[00:39:56] and it's basically saying okay old ai brain so the classic way is ai's current uh llms are currently designed like a single straight water slide okay and so yeah okay so i'm having this in my mind this is what andre carparthy was talking about in that three and a half hour video this is the training uh the training uh conveyor belt the workflow okay right inf information in you know your your latest

[00:40:24] video your articles your pictures turns into tokens in the in the machine and weights and that's a linear workflow it is a straightforward linear fashion and what they are saying is you know what would be more fun is a crazy unregulated water park oh no okay so like uh i don't know if you remember from the 80s there's this place in upstate new york action park aka traction park no it had all these

[00:40:52] dangerous rides oh that sounds do a google search for traction park sometimes oh my god so the idea behind mhc is it's a crazy water park but with perfect safety controls so in other words you can still have all these chaotic connections but there is uh the manifold part is some kind of regulated

[00:41:16] connection system between the interconnections and all right yeah and that is this is what it looks like they had action park had a loop the loop water slide no no you can't do that you have if you're not going fast enough yeah exactly oh this is insane that's why it was called traction park and they were

[00:41:42] by the way closed weren't they yes yeah and with good reason yes guests were not strong swimmers should not enter the action park oh and yet oh my god okay so i'm sorry i got distracted by action park so you're saying instead of a linear flow of information into tokens and weights it's more of a

[00:42:11] it's supposed to be a more crazy quilt flow of information but the idea is that there are some kind there is some kind of guard rail that keeps the information from just flying willy-nilly so a deep seek the analogy gave me as a crazy water park with perfect safety controls and then it did give me a link to better be a good swimmer it did yeah well apparently it's supposed to be better than that and

[00:42:40] it gave me a wikipedia link to something called a burkhoff polytope which is a matrix formation for stochastic math okay that was uh that's based on a 1946 paper by a garrett burkhoff so this is the era when people are this is the alan turing era this is people right defining what it means for something to

[00:43:04] be computable oh it's a polytope of double e stochastic matrices i understand now clearly uh yeah too much uh math is hard um but i guess the the idea by the way you can think of it's not unusual to think of in fact darren okey proposed this on our last ai user group which we

[00:43:28] uh did uh on friday that you can think of in a way uh the ai as a matrix uh i always think of matrices as matrices as trees this is it's different ways of looking at the same idea and stuff flows through the matrix and you can transform the matrix so i guess the idea is that these are a little bit more uh i don't want to use the word chaotic because that sounds like action park

[00:43:54] but a little bit more um richer than a linear true dynamic dynamic dynamic that's a better word dynamic would be a good dynamic would be a good way of phrasing it yes okay it's doubly stochastic what could possibly go wrong anyway and stochastic meaning random but predictable probabilistic yeah

[00:44:19] yeah which is what what but these things are basically is to cast that's the paper stochastic parrots pointed this out they're just basically probabilistic uh auto corrects um okay very interesting uh the point only it's way beyond my limited capabilities but the point being for much of 2025 people were saying oh llms are are done we've hit the well there was two schools of thoughts one saying

[00:44:47] hey people like uh uh jan lacune saying no no llms are a dead end we've got to find something else and then people like sam altman said no no llms are still great we just have to throw more compute at it it just got more compute more compute more compute and eventually they'll get you know super intelligent then those are the two schools of thought well maybe uh maybe you're both right because maybe it

[00:45:12] isn't just llms maybe we have other models other methods that we can use uh lacune was arguing for something a little more physical real world a world model yeah yeah fefe lee also said that she said an llm is just language we need to go beyond just language we need a model of physics what happens you know an llm doesn't know what happens when you drop when a pen rolls off the table because it doesn't have a

[00:45:37] world model so maybe uh maybe we have some maybe we have a way to go i guess what the point to me is that we have some headroom that's the things are still improving and growing we're we're only at the beginning you have to remember uh chat gpt came out what three three years one month ago that is it isn't that amazing and it blew our minds and yeah and i don't feel progress is slow do you you either

[00:46:06] of you think that i think there was a point this summer where it seemed like um chat and anthropic hit a wall when chat gpt5 came out people were disappointed they said this is not supposed to yeah that was like expectation of management or management of expectations but i i do think that

[00:46:27] the consumer products hit some friction um and that probably fed a lot of well news cycles and consumers were probably the narrative was probably that these weren't at expectation level but those expectations were also set with this talk about super intelligence and other stuff that just wasn't ever

[00:46:53] going to be true yeah and i also think that there has been marked improvement in i i mean chat five is not what was promised but it's a better product and anthropic is like we've been talking about this entire show it's just it's really great yeah yeah i mean it's very useful uh well and gemini too which came out and gemini right later and nano banana the video and still picture models are amazing

[00:47:22] gemini 3 uh is very competent chatbot i honestly don't care about chatbots so much because i'm not i'm trying to get psychotherapy or i don't need a friend but i don't want to marry my computer but gemini is useful for getting work done like i have found it fantastic for for search or actually in my case

[00:47:45] job search so for instance gemini because it can pull stuff out of video actually i've been i've been using it to find uh i used to work for cory doctorow i used to work at his startup oh my god i love cory oh my god so yeah because uh yeah we're we're both from toronto yeah that's very cool yeah that's right yeah what was his startup that was before eff that was before he became a novelist

[00:48:11] open cola open cola this was during the peer-to-peer era and our thesis and it was a little tongue in cheek wasn't it well open cola was supposed to be open source and we decided to make a product an open source version to promote ourselves an open source version of the most proprietary thing we could think of at the time which was coca-cola right ingredient 7x a closely guarded secret yeah so as a

[00:48:38] promotional tool we made an open source cola and open cola uh was basically during the p2p era and our thesis and it made sense to me at the time was that google wouldn't scale and what you needed to do was distribute search across every computer connected to the internet that's brilliant everyone would run a client combination client server which we called the clever that would do these that that

[00:49:07] would do these searches and not just for information but also for files because this was the peer-to-peer era and yeah the idea was that people people who are similar to you are going to have similar interests to you and are going to search for things that are similar to you cola stood for collaboration object lookup architecture architecture yes i i corey and i and uh i think our friend george scribbon who also

[00:49:33] was with the company with us we made that up over sushi one night it does sound like it what i what i call a retronym which is a background yeah backronym is the term we like to use acronym yeah you got the word first and then you figure out what it stands for yeah and in fact i got in that was my first developer relations job and that is because i was originally a developer i brought my accordion to linux world uh i jumped in front of some news cameras parlayed it into an interview and by the

[00:50:01] time i got back to toronto this was linux world expo new york cory said you're now our developer evangelist i could you know what awesome i can see the accordion being the key to corey doctora i can see that being the conversation starter that's exactly that's corey in a nutshell well he's still doing that i mean basically that this is the philosophy that he continues to live up to this

[00:50:27] notion of big tech the siloed tech isn't the solution it's got to be open and it's got to be distributed exactly but anyways yeah i was using jevin i had to search because he quotes me occasionally because he he actually uses my dumbest line often and that is i i and i did this back when sars was the thing i said when life gives you sars you make sarsparilla oh my god that was your line he's used

[00:50:54] that a dozen times on this show yeah and it's sometimes and sometimes he credits it to me and what i had now on i'm gonna put dash dash joey davila and what i did was i just had jevin i search through a whole bunch of youtube videos and i i said yeah tell me if he tell me if he uses the line tell me if he credits me and if he does give me the time give me the time mark when it happens so that

[00:51:18] i can i can reference it as part of my in my portfolio as part of my job now that we know that we'll next time corey's on we'll have you on it we can have a little reunion sure uh make a note of that benito uh corey's on a big book tour right now his book yes he is huge he uh coined the word of the year 2024 and shittification and now he's reaping the whirlwind uh yeah there it is there's the book

[00:51:45] right hand dan that's good there are bits and pieces of corey's friends me included throughout his novels little little lines he borrows from us yeah oh that's good to know uh well i'll remember the sarsparilla one that's a very canadian line it is because sars was a much bigger deal in canada i mean that was it was a much bigger deal in canada and actually it was particularly big to me

[00:52:09] because my sister is the is uh was the chief medical officer for the city of toronto no kidding yeah wow and actually she got she got her way into the the precursor of that job when sars happened so that was her first yikes she entered the job on sars and she left after covet was over yeah little did you know the sars was the warning shot for covet it was airborne respiratory disease we we thought would

[00:52:39] be as bad as covet fortunately kind of thanks to uh public health uh people who really did their job right yeah it did not spread and it was a yeah and it was a big deal because it was spreading through the asian community rather quickly and my family with the exception of me i'm the black sheep they're all asian doctors wow i'm the i'm the black sheep i'm the black sheep of the family yeah i did you had

[00:53:06] to play the accordion oh no we all have to play instruments that's a rule nice you can if you cannot perform on a variety show you are in danger of losing filipino citizenship oh you know what that explains he is correct benito yeah like every instrument i'll be danged so that's why benito you play all those instruments it's for the variety shows hey well everybody here everybody here

[00:53:33] either sings or plays an instrument like everybody that's nice i think that's the right that's we said something we've lost i think due to mass media because it used to before you had the radio and tv you had entertain yourself of an evening well uh you know what filipino extended family gatherings there's always talon show after dinner oh how fun all right well we're going to take a break and then we'll uh we've been avoiding it but i guess we'll have to talk about the government

[00:54:03] there's uh there's a government information uh we got to talk about fcc's been busy oh there's so much going on in fact it's even an ai angle uh on this but uh stay tuned we've got joey davila here who coined one of cory's best lines i love it uh great to have

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[01:00:07] it's warning you something's wrong something's wrong uh one of the things that happened while uh we weren't paying attention uh congress has uh proposed a suite of bills that many of us have called the bad internet bills there's a screen act this is all from a salon congress may be about to

[01:00:33] create the bad internet just want you to be aware of these the screen act is going to do federally what many states have done an age verification requirement for any website and why porn no any website congress decides is harmful to minors any website that's the screen act the cooper davis act would require any

[01:00:59] electronic communications service provider your isp to report knowledge of drug-related offenses to the dea the dea well wait a minute what if what if my communications are in and encrypted oh no no you have to know what's you have to have the clear text no no encryption allowed it's the 90s again do you remember when they wanted uh at all encrypted communications to have a back door they still do

[01:01:26] yeah never gave that up by which which screen act there are two of them i know and they work re they worked really hard on these acronyms probably harder than on the bill this is this is a backronym isn't it it's the mike lee's screen act uh which has been floating around for a while because there's shielding children's retinas shielding children's retinas from egregious exposure on the net act

[01:01:57] it'll have to move fast though i mean this this would have to really get through committee it's yeah i don't i don't know what nine months i i just don't it's probably it's probably over you think i mean well i don't know if it's over but i just congress has another year before the end right yeah and this has been i am without getting into any sort of partisanship it's been read twice and referred to the committee but nothing much has happened and it's been a very unproductive congress

[01:02:23] they have just a few months i mean maybe six months everybody's going to start campaigning now that's true so it's really i mean yes this is i just worry kosis back it will not die right yeah keep it it's the jason of uh yes but uh not jason jason jason jason jason voorhees but no that

[01:02:47] that acronym works harder than the people who came up with it screen yeah well that's a good point the other one exactly stopping communist regimes from engaging in edits now act that's the other screen there are two screen ads who knew that that that word could have two different meanings uh kosa is the child of the kids sorry online safety act and that's another one that will require

[01:03:12] platforms to identify minors and censor content as decided by the states uh they're still tacking section two thirty um they're they're not giving up and i think it's important that we remember that and pay attention but you're right dan maybe there's some hope because it's such a do nothing i'm trying not i

[01:03:35] don't want to minimize the importance of our of not taking for granted the freedoms that we currently have on the internet and our friend cory would loudly remind us that this is very important um but from a practical standpoint and i just think about this as i i covered politics for many years and i just think

[01:03:59] about what are the practical implications of something like this and it it just will be very difficult in um next year for this to happen and if the democrats regain the house it's unlikely that this will anything will happen other than uh their attempts to go after the current president

[01:04:23] um so we got another uh three years of nothing basically is what you think maybe i i again it sounds like i'm minimizing this and i don't want to do that but i i just think about like what is the next not hair on fire i will grant you yes right i i just don't want to put hair and like have our hair on fire and go omg no because what happens we've had our hair on fire for 10 years now what happens is eventually you just go you know my hair's on fire that's exactly right and cynicism is a tool of

[01:04:51] uh autocrats and so so when we go oh my goodness everything is bad everything is terrible it it really it makes so many people dial out and instead we need to just look at what's in front of us and what's in front of us is a busy campaign season okay that's a i'm very glad my hair is out now it's been doused uh i am yeah i'm counting on uh i'm counting on this administration being

[01:05:20] ideologically ambitious but operationally sad yes that's very wise what's that acronym i a o s or you and get a k in there you got chaos chaos congress has been like that for for years like congress's ability to be productive has uh been disappointing well the states maybe are a little bit more effective on the day after christmas governor hookle uh signed a new york state law

[01:05:49] that requires social media platforms to display warning labels similar to those found on cigarettes right next door cookie labels that's really done a lot of good uh of course australia has banned social media for kids under 16 and that is now spreading denmark says they want to do the same thing france is the latest we tried to get patrick beja on the show because i wanted to get him to talk about

[01:06:13] that he lives in paris uh there is some good news though uh texas had a app store age verification law that was set to take effect uh uh this month and a federal judge has now blocked that it's only a preliminary injunction it's not dead this is sb 2420 the texas app store accountability act which was

[01:06:38] passed and signed into law judge robert pitman said it's akin to a law quote akin to a law that would require every bookstore to verify the age of every customer at the door and for minors require parental consent before the child or teen could enter and again when they tried to purchase a book in other words a violation of the first amendment uh he hasn't ruled on the merits of the case but he has

[01:07:05] he feels i guess there is enough concern about it to grant an injunction so that it does not go into effect so that's um utah louisiana similar laws these aren't anti-porn laws specifically these are these are censorship laws yeah basically it's 21st century uh a lot of it's probably really uh rooted in 21st century equivalent of book burning book burning exactly they've done it in libraries

[01:07:35] now they want to do it on the internet um the uh the suit was brought by the community computer communications industry association ccia including apple google and meta uh ccia said the law imposes a broad censorship regime on the entire universe of mobile apps of course google and apple do not

[01:07:56] want to have to make their app stores be you know the guardian um yeah because they already have to do that a fair bit already uh i remember um i remember when i was working when i was doing a product management at a fee-for-service software development company having to fight with the uh app store trying to convince them that the

[01:08:22] app that my company was putting out on behalf of a client was not tobacco related yeah yeah yeah exactly well and you know so that's the interesting conundrum here i mean i i can understand why you'd want to prevent tobacco related apps especially those aimed at young people yeah the app store yeah that's the thing and i also uh you know we've talked about this a lot on our show

[01:08:46] security now uh our guru steve gibson is of the opinion that the best place to do this is on the phone on the uh because apple already knows your age probably yeah um and uh they could ease they have an api already that can be called by apps to say what group what age group is this person in they have parental

[01:09:09] controls that let parents not say a birth date not say the the user this phone is 12 years old but just to say which group which age group this kid falls into which is good i think the parent should be allowed to be the one to decide that so it does seem like technologically anyway apple has is is the choke point that's a good place to do it yeah and by the way the texas law which required age verification

[01:09:36] for porn still stands oh yeah the judge said this one is too broad this goes too far does australia have a similar law uh yeah they have yes as of december 11th in australia you have to do age verification to use so you're social media yeah youtube twitter you know meta facebook you know a variety of social

[01:10:03] media sites some are left out unaccountably uh youtube's the big one to me i mean if i were a 16 year old in australia and i couldn't look at youtube i'd feel pretty peeved that's what we're just getting on youtube by the way uh well that's that's the thing actually new year's uh new year's 2025 the number of friends of who approached me asking about vpns for a friend yeah yeah it is a boon

[01:10:31] isn't it our vpn sponsor loves these laws but that's but then but but wait a minute think about it that means the next step is to ban vpns that's going to be a little harder to get through but but but lawmakers are already considering that talking about that that will be but that means that vpns will go underground you can't ban it because businesses rely on vpns how are you going to ban vp yeah it's going

[01:10:58] to be too hard and even then yeah we were uh um back around i worked on the user interface for a cult of the dead cow project remember that cool oh yeah yeah um peekabooty i remember peekabooty yeah so i was you know i was the user i was the user interface programmer for that oh man yeah and the uh devrel guy we had back in the tech tv days we had the uh cult of the dead cow and the woo-woo people on

[01:11:27] talking about peekabooty yeah so so it was me and uh cult of the dead cow developer drunken master who worked on it wow you have some deep roots uh i i just kind of fall i just kind of land in the right place at the right time i'm i i'm trying to be the uh 21st century equivalent of uh zeleg do you remember that woody allen yeah zeleg he was everywhere yeah so peekabooty was a was a peer-to-peer file sharing

[01:11:57] thing right uh actually it was a peer-to-peer distributed proto vpn i guess that's the best way to describe it yeah and basically it was a network of computers that acted at a network of personal computers that acted as a vpn so if you were like hamachi or tail scale or something yeah kind of like it so you were either on the bad side of the uh great wall of china where you were trying to reach out right reach sites outside or you were on this side of the great firewall and you were providing

[01:12:26] those you were acting as the vpn for someone random randomly in china wow huh and yeah we presented that at uh code con back in 2002 i think cool wow so yeah that was brent yeah that was bram cohen's thing so yeah yeah yeah before before uh bit torrent yeah just before yeah just before bit torrent because i ended up uh participating in the bit torrent test oh neat yeah because i know him from mojo

[01:12:56] nation back and this is when open cola was active and uh i was uh living in san francisco at the time uh doing the developer relations there i feel like our lives have intersected and we've you know i don't know how we never met in person because we we have in toronto every now and again when you all right you because you did g4 tech tv events you come by the show uh never by the show uh just to advance oh yeah you i have a picture of you playing the accordion with me and amber

[01:13:25] amber mac yeah that's right yeah no you came yeah yeah i generally went to amber back it's like in a bar or somewhere yeah yeah i remember that because amber amber was the one who also convinced two cows that they needed a children's tv show and that i would be a great host so it was me and a puppet as you would be what was what was the puppet's name junior the show was called developer junior and it was me and a puppet friend and uh we did two episodes the only reason we didn't do more is that microsoft

[01:13:55] did not have a budget for a tween audience oh man i gotta see if my puppet is up here or not oh hey oh i don't know where my puppet went so yeah i had a leo puppet i think i might have given it away it was me puppeteer brian hogg oh brian yeah he made he made the leo puppet oh okay there we go well brian also

[01:14:18] made a puppet called junior yeah that's he's the guy who made my puppet oh there we go yeah that's a small world uh i'm sorry i don't mean to leave you out dan uh this is some great history it's wild i i had no idea joey um where is my puppet now you got me going okay i hope i didn't give it away yeah i remember

[01:14:43] hearing about this puppet yeah he made a leo in fact at one point we did um a puppet reenactment of the first twit oh wow it's i think still on youtube if you if you want to see my my leo puppet the brian hog but i wonder if i can find that twit puppet that should be enough to get the code you'd think

[01:15:09] i mean how many twit puppets could there be oh no unfortunately twit has a has a lot of uh a lot of meanings a lot of meanings about this week in tech puppet video uh we're going to take a little break while i do this uh search and i'm sure that patrick delahandy our engineer has a link that he will put up in the uh in the discord if you're club twit member that's where you go for that kind of

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[01:21:28] thank you i really appreciate it you've made a big difference in my life uh back to the show we go with a very prestigious panel it's great to have joey de villa here i had no idea joey and i had all these connections going back to brian hogg of all things and dan patterson who i've known for it must be 10 years 15 it's been a long time dan 2009 was my first twit 2009 16 years that's nice

[01:21:58] 2009 that we had just gotten going practically back then i think kevin rose and uh jason calicanis were oh i was listening to that show again you mentioned that and i thought oh that's fun i have to listen in that show not only that jason kept bringing celebrities on like it was a it was a wild show and i really enjoy it actually made me feel good i thought you know what

[01:22:23] this isn't a bad show this isn't such a bad show i really enjoy i was doing my taxes i remember this it was so it was april and you mentioned that you that was your first show and i listened to it i thought that's pretty darn good uh weirdly you remember the federal government goes back and forth on this there was a embargo on chinese chips being sold or american chips being sold to china for ai

[01:22:51] weirdly uh in jensen wong uh i don't know he went to the president had dinner with him president said you know what you could sell those h200 chips to china go right ahead china's response was yeah we don't want them the us has just approved samsung and sk hynix can ship their chip making tools to

[01:23:12] china this year huh well our were i it's so confusing it's so confusing um they do this i guess every year and so i guess it could change tsmc also exempt uh i i i'm just gonna i'm without comment i shall just

[01:23:41] say this without comment i i don't understand what about the super precise dutch chip making equipment the ah yes which the chinese have now reverse engineered have they i thought they were having trouble with it well they were because it is if you've looked at this machine this is asml holding and

[01:24:04] they make uh euv extreme ultraviolet lithography machines it's 200 million dollar machine if you look at this machine it is a rube goldberg device and so very difficult to reverse engineer except uh the chinese

[01:24:26] got a former employee of this company to come over asml to come over and work for them and i last i saw they believe they have a working prototype of the smluv machine we've been blocking them getting that because that's what allows these really tiny you know three nanometer two nanometer processes yeah so i think you can give up on that

[01:24:54] were they not i mean my understanding is and this is from uh peter zion's book so the geopolitics guy right in colorado and he was talking about uh how it wasn't until 2017 or 2018 that the chinese were not able to completely home make ballpoint pens really huh the ball bearing the ball bearing is too is too precise they could they needed to have external equipment to make that but if you read apple in

[01:25:23] china i was just gonna say yeah but that's the thing how how do these two things apple so the chinese government gave very very friendly terms to apple they basically built cities you know the iphone city they built that out of nothing they uh and of course terry gao of foxconn was instrumental in that and china apple could not resist it's a great story the book apple in china apple could not resist it but

[01:25:51] that but that involved a huge transfer of technology to china and so they have all these capabilities so here's the story from uh christmas eve on tom's hardware china's reversed engineered frankenstein euv chip making tool hasn't produced so you're you're not wrong joey has not produced a single chip it's still years away from becoming operational not because the machine doesn't work but because the supply chain

[01:26:18] for the machine oh so interesting yeah so you can build it but you've then got to feed it right you that yes you need the components right uh ultra pure silicon and uh the necessary impurities that actually make the circuits but i but yeah that's that's how what doping is isn't it yes making it

[01:26:42] uh i would not count against china oh no getting there it may not be there today it may not be there this year but at some point that's going to happen and are we re i mean i i understand we want to be i are we if we're so afraid of china that they would get these chips and use them militarily is that what we're afraid of or are we being protectionist for american companies yeah i think it's geopolitical

[01:27:12] or or geoeconomical uh geo economically invented that it's not a strategic necessity it's an economic necessity yeah i think so so i i submitted submitted for your approval exhibit a the dji drone ban the u.s at the end of the year the fcc banned not just chinese drones but all drones not made in the

[01:27:41] united states of america do we make drones in the u.s i don't even know well i'm trying to think of it out yeah trump's son donald trump jr owns stock in and advises several american drone startups that have received billions and loans and subsidies from the pentagon so there is i think good reason to

[01:28:10] believe that this ban of all foreign made not just dji you could say oh well we don't watch dji to drones in the united states because they have you know they're a chinese company china government the prc has golden shares in the company they have involvement with the chinese military etc etc

[01:28:29] you could make that case but this is drones made everywhere in the world um and uh well uh the this trump sons drone company is it strictly military because there are there's a lot of agricultural uses for drones oh there's a lot of reasons why you would want good drones yeah if you have by the

[01:28:55] way a dji drone or another non-us-made drone you can continue to operate it they didn't ban its use they just can't buy new ones about parts ah that's an interesting question can you get it fixed yeah no because uh yeah no they uh on the startup bus tour we visited uh the university of florida and

[01:29:21] they were talking about all the agricultural uses of drones that they were uh that they were working with uh for the future but also present day use of agricultural drones for things like looking for disease crops um optimizing optimizing irrigation actually doing crop dusting very precise crop dusting yeah well and there's massive military use in fact we used in the invasion of venezuela

[01:29:47] on saturday we a lot of that was supported by drones sure and yeah same things happening in the russo ukraine uh that's right um 70 dji has 70 market share on drones in the u.s so i guess you could say it is a ban against dji the other companies don't make much different much difference in the equation but it

[01:30:14] is all foreign-made drones it's not just dji carl bode writing at techter trump's drone ban is corrupt protectionist nonsense dressed up as a national security fix but there may be consequences right uh law enforcement military shortages everywhere agriculture industry real estate

[01:30:44] possibly sure possibly even rock and roll because you have to remember that uh randy rhodes um ozzy osborne's guitarist died while in a crop duster joyride i did not know that oh that's right very famously almost hit the bus oh no it clipped the bus yeah and that's why it went crashing into the ground because the bus driver they were staying at a farm the bus driver said hey look a crop duster

[01:31:10] who wants to go for a ride oh man randy was an amazing guitarist oh absolutely bode writes some u.s drone makers asked daddy to protect them from global market competition and he did now u.s consumers have to pay twice as much money for much crappier technology instead of translating the proceeds into new jobs better tech or lower prices the executives at the companies

[01:31:34] responsible will simply pocket the proceeds it's not about national security i think about american labor it's not about industrializing across consumer and business technology for the foreseeable future that there is just a slowdown and because of these protectionist policies it might be far more difficult to

[01:31:59] advance uh products and capabilities at the rate that we've seen in the last decade or so what i mean i can go on and on i don't i don't want to uh wired magazine story uh december 31st fears mount u.s federal cyber security is stagnating or worse government staffing cuts and instability cisa pretty much shut down right they they closed uh down 18f and they closed down the united states

[01:32:28] digital service and realized oh my god those people we need we so they've created uh this what they call a cyber force yeah on the defensive end i a defensive cyber i think offensive cyber was deployed in venezuela oh i'm sure oh yeah that's interesting yeah so it's some it's shifted our posture or it appears

[01:32:53] to have shifted our posture but um fcc has also killed a plan you may i we were very excited about this the cyber trust mark program an fcc plan to improve home security the idea was when you bought a home security device it would have a stamp on it uh certifying that the smart home device whether it's

[01:33:18] a router a camera um a door lock would meet certain cyber security standards approved products that have a shield icon on the package like an energy star sticker it was launched last year at ces nobody's put the mark on and the apparently the fcc has now decided to kill it that's disturbing underwriters lab which was

[01:33:43] going to be the safety testing company announced it's stepping down um and that's because the fcc has been investigating underwriters lab four ties with china uh yeah uh anyway uh yeah this is this is not good this doesn't make us more secure doesn't make it things better doesn't make us safer

[01:34:13] it's a little scary uh but on the other hand waymo has updated its cars now so when there's a power outage next time in san francisco they won't all stop in the road oh my this is a big problem san francisco got a big power outage and waymo said well uh because the cars won't operate uh with the

[01:34:38] traffic lights aren't working we're just we're going to pause our service the thing is the cars didn't go back to the barn they just stopped in the middle of the street they just stopped working uh probably because they rely on uh they rely on those traffic lights yeah they don't have they don't know how to uh you know that i guess i mean it's for safety i guess i mean i don't trust humans

[01:35:07] never mind when the traffic lights are out and we're all trying to figure out okay which one of us goes next uh most humans treated the traffic lights that were out as four-way stops right it's a four-way stop that's right but uh cars uh anyway they would freeze in the intersection yeah ironically two days

[01:35:31] later after the power outage was cleared power is back but then the national weather service issued a warning uh about a powerful storm so waymo stopped again is this making our city streets better is this improvement over cabs i don't know i live in new york city and all of these things are like normal

[01:35:55] human drivers in the middle of the street everybody just stops yeah what happens when the power goes out new york that's a disaster uh it is a disaster well it's not that i mean it's a disaster but new yorkers they survive flip you off and swear you need to drive yeah yeah they figure it out hey i'm driving here out of my way buddy i would i mean i would and i would absolutely not

[01:36:24] like to see waymo navigate the holland tunnel during rush hour oh yeah uh do you so you don't have waymo yet in the manhattan not that i'm aware of uh you know you can't miss these cars they're jaguar with all sorts of worrying it's allowed here uh and i i think i don't know that it would survive

[01:36:47] did you did are you of the opinion that uber caused traffic congestion in new york city um well i want to be careful with my opinions but it sure seemed that way i remember when uber came to new york city and the certainly remember their their policies which has been mimicked by a number of tech companies they simply just came into new york city um despite regulations and operated until they changed regulations

[01:37:15] um and now i see a heck of a lot less yellow cabs yeah um yeah unfortunately so although you know did it cause a lot of women like waymo because there's no driver i know many women will not do uber or they will request a female driver uh they just are scared and i'm sure it's the same with cabs and so they like i know a number of women who say oh you know i far prefer waymo because it's

[01:37:42] safe yeah so do i um or at least who have said uh similar things about uber and lyfts um did it cause did it create congestion i don't know because that would uh look new yorkers are going to take a cab or take a car regardless as to whether it's a an uber yellow cab right the cars are still going to be there i guess the cars are going to be there yeah although apparently that congestion pricing has been very helpful

[01:38:11] it seems like it has yeah paying just a little it's not a huge fee but paying a little fee to come into town during uh uh high traffic hours yeah and everybody just goes on the west side highway or the fdr anyway like if you're going uptown like you're you're not going through you're not going up broadway no so professor panda who is one of our good friends who lives in chinatown in manhattan says waymo waymo is still in beta in new york city he does see them roaming around and mapping

[01:38:38] huh i've i've never seen one yeah you can't miss them yeah phoenix san francisco including san jose they just announced that they're going to be in our neck of the woods as well although i doubt they'll come up here because i don't think there's enough business to make it worthwhile we barely have uber uh they're expanding soon into miami dallas houston san antonio good lord or land testing here in tampa

[01:39:04] there was one right on my street and i'm on a residential street well that's the fun in uh in san francisco because there are certain neighborhoods in san francisco with waymo congestion problems there's like bet like places you can't turn right and the waymos get confused and so they bottleneck up and oh well what about the ddos that uh somebody pulled uh he got they they he got a bunch of people to call

[01:39:30] several waymos to a dead-end street where they all blocked each other yeah yeah exactly you can hack them well that's maybe why uh at mayor mom donny by the way congratulations on your on your new socialist mayor zero he at his inauguration they banned flipper zeros not just guns and bombs but raspberry pies and flipper zeros yeah as they should i had a flipper i i i uh i played with it it was fun

[01:40:00] i taught it how to break into our offices back when we had the door key thing and and then i thought you know i'm gonna give this to a real hacker i gave it to uh father up balasair the digital jesuit so that he could hack the vatican i've put i've put it into my shopping cart and been inches from purchase and then i think what am i going to do with this that doesn't involve getting into trouble that's the right question it's pretty cool you can't play snake on it

[01:40:29] but i think that's more for plausible deniability if the authorities say what's that yeah what's that kid oh it's my snake box i mean i think until pretty recently it would be i and most people i know would have no idea what it is but i think law enforcement probably has an understanding uh but i think you could walk around with it in your pocket and most people wouldn't know it's not illegal this

[01:40:54] is a little it's a it's not it's not here in canada it might be oh really yes oh i i remember hearing something about it i don't know what the definitive ruling on that was oh i'm just looking to see where they prohibited items large bags weapons fireworks explosives drones strollers coolers laser pens

[01:41:19] flipper zeros and raspberry pies why why raspberry pi because you can make it i guess you can just a raspberry pi with a costume yeah big and clunky but at that point you know they got to ban the wi-fi pineapple yeah oh yeah although that is so i mean that like that's a fantastic device but

[01:41:43] it i feel like that is very a niche device well that's how the flipper zero is built as the wi-fi pineapple is built is as a pen testing tool it was just for you to test your security of your networks exactly not other people's security uh i i uh i believe robert has used his to good effect

[01:42:07] but i don't want to say how does he take it into the vatican he lives in the vatican yeah so he can't help but take it so he has the security of their networks yes yeah or he does say though you don't want to mess with the swiss guard they may wear gaudy clown-like outfits but they carry submachine cuts well yeah because they can fit him in those pantaloons pantaloons you you can't hurt me you

[01:42:32] wearing pantaloons oh yeah it's not i just not just this halberd i'm holding yeah oh you could hack the conclave vote oh yeah we could have had a hacked pope hack the conclave hack the pope hack the robert's gonna by the way robert's gonna be on next week he's going to ces uh we will have his ces report as we have every year he's going to make a nice video for us and it will bring us some

[01:42:56] toys i feel like an electronics show simpler times these were simpler times hack the conclave i love it uh let's take a break we will talk about uh ces right after this show in uh three hours uh samsung's gonna samsung's gonna do it's the first i think it's the first press conference of uh ces they have samsung they have so many products they have the tvs in the tv section they have the tablets they have the

[01:43:25] phones um they probably have a car i don't know sony's going to show it's a phila a philia car again we'll talk about that ces coming up uh it starts tonight in effect uh having some fun it's great to have unveiled is tonight unveiled yeah i think you know they're actually saturday uh you know all

[01:43:50] them all the uh third party uh trunk shows like showstoppers and pepcom are making all the money yeah so the cea the people who put on ces decided we better have an event and we better have it the day before pepcon so the pepcom so they do it on saturday so i think they did that last night then tonight's probably showstoppers or pepcom and yeah i don't miss all that did you did you guys used to go to ces yeah no never went never went oh joey you should go once everyone should go once yeah

[01:44:19] and i shouldn't it's like planes like action park everybody should ride the water loop to loop once even if you've been to a massive conference you still should see ces just to go oh i don't want it's not as big as it used to be it's only 130 000 people this year more boons i think a privilege i i would tell myself that when i went that that's the way a lot of people want to be here and i am

[01:44:45] a reporter who is here at the same time i greatly it's not a punishment it's a privilege typing from my sweatpants back in new york city oh it's just it's um i'm trying to remember the show the two cows where i used to work was banned from because they did not comdex was it yeah it was the one where they brought decks one of the things that you could do was they had a raffle and you could either win

[01:45:14] some money or you could win a cow and they brought a cow into a real cow yes into the convention center a live cow somehow without approval and i feel like that convention is also the home the world's largest most famous rodeo every year just months before ces so i don't know why they'd be bummed about a cow but all right if that's how you feel everything else is on that show floor yeah because

[01:45:40] i remember uh going through a list of conferences or conventions and going why not this one and they said well there was the incident the incident that feels like a blackout or defcon thing maybe it was black cat yeah that's more no black no no def cons like uh you put concrete in the toilet somebody did that at god the death yeah yeah because that was uh yeah that was defcon 2000 yeah somebody did that

[01:46:08] that year because i i was at that one that was still quick drying fast acting concrete yes and they called it a denial of service attack you know you could do the same much more effectively with just a little bit of uh cellophane but okay yeah and i was there yeah i i was there uh on behalf of open cola actually present uh presenting a little prototype called cola vision which was a gnu tella if you remember

[01:46:35] that i remember nutella yeah yeah so new child sharing tool it was a new telepster yeah yeah it was basically a nutella system for broadcasting your favorite your favorite video clips nice written in visual basic believe it or not because we had to do it in a hurry nothing wrong with that but it worked but it worked but you know what vibe coding is the new visual basic yeah you know i i write in

[01:47:00] most of my code in common lisp uh just to be ornery and uh and it's weird because believe it or not clod clod code is very good at common lisp and then uh over the holiday i i got a um i bought myself a christmas present i bought myself a thinkpad x1 carbon uh because it has an oled screen i really like oled

[01:47:23] screens and it's very light little little under two pounds and i put uh cache os linux on it which is my new favorite linux but i decided i wanted to use a tiling window manager instead of i usually use gnome but it's boring and i don't you know and i don't need a big gui i i really do most things full screen emacs is full screen cloud code is full screen term so i thought i'm going to do a tiling manager

[01:47:49] and uh i set up uh wayland is the compositor and sway but i but it's all this stuff is for you know hardcore you got to read a lot of documents a lot of websites a lot of wikis uh not so much with cache eos it's arch but it's arch for people like me it's easy to install but setting up sway it's all configuration text configuration files i just said cloud code to it it's beautiful it

[01:48:14] knows exactly what to do claude said of course what do you want i said could you put the temperature on the weather on yes i will write a little script uh can you uh tell me how much memory i have left okay i put a little icon there i mean it was incredible cloud is amazing and knows all this arcane stuff and the point of it is it's read the wiki so i don't have to well yeah and it's read structure and interpretation of computer programs and all the all the smug lisp weenie books that are

[01:48:43] standard i wish i'd known there we go uh you know what i wish i'd known that you were into lisp back during your g4 tech tv days because my deadbeat ex-housemate when he moved out left his symbolics oh my god in the house what did you do with it uh i i actually put out an ad for it no uh it uh and by the way i should explain for people who are going one of the time this is a lisp machine it

[01:49:12] was a cpu that ran lisp on the cpu it was designed just to run lisp and and now by the way in today's world it would be considered a complete slug and and almost worthless i can run it much faster on a stock pc but piece of history yeah i ended up giving it to hack lab to okay oh good well i'm sure they

[01:49:38] did good things with it then but yeah but uh yeah it was it's 150 pounds of machines like the size of a new york apartment radiator from the 19th it was because all of and by this this was early ai this was all about ai and uh in those days these guys just couldn't you know was my they they finally said we're gonna have to design our own machine nobody nobody's gonna let us run lisp on their on their ibm

[01:50:03] 370s we got a designer on machine and so they did it so it's a wow that's a piece of history i would have loved to that is very cool well there is one at the computer history museum like when was this it would have been late 80s early 90s it was one of the first machines where ram was measured in megabytes when we were still in the kilobyte range yeah and for its time it was fast and this

[01:50:31] would have been circa 2000 2001 that i had the machine in my house data lore is asking this book is the absolute essential read for anybody who wants to be a computer programmer except nobody reads it anymore this was the introductory uh book for computer science at mit for 20 years the structure and interpretation of computer programs it's scheme which is a lisp it's a lisp but if you and i'm

[01:50:58] rereading this well i i can't i can't pretend that i actually have ever finished it but i am i'm gonna finish it this time because i decided you know what i am suffering amanda i i when i do these advent of code things i'm suffering from not having formal training i've done how to design programs this is the next one um and i've been reading it for eight years now so it's it's a slog it's like it's it's

[01:51:25] like a carpathy video it is yeah this time i'm gonna do all the exercises i'm gonna finish it and uh i don't know i'll be dead by then and what i don't why is somebody my age doing this is a is a legitimate question shouldn't you leo be out uh you know sitting and playing checkers at a uh somewhere on a board you know that is the checkers you you are my checkers you are 21st century century whittling wood

[01:51:54] checkers and and you know what i was a chinese major in college in in the mid 70s oh and like go i did play go that's japanese but i played it and yeah i played also chinese chess which is an amazing game but finally the world came around at the time this was a useless skill china hadn't even been opened yet but the world came around now ai the world's finally coming around to

[01:52:23] lisp and and ai and i'm here i'm ready no anyway we're gonna take a little break and come back and we will talk about ces and amanda silberling's wonderful tech crunch article the dumbest things that happened in tech this year and there are a lot of dumb things we will get to that in just and darren the world is coming around a list and desktop linux this is the year

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[01:56:51] slash twit we thank them so much for their support of this week in tech long time long time supporters and then back in 2026 we're very pleased about that amanda silberling has been on the show many times love amanda has a uh she's actually a regular on tech news weekly too every month with micah sergeant wrote a great article i i gotta give her credit for it the dumbest things that happened in tech

[01:57:16] this year and you will remember them you might wish you didn't mark zuckerberg a bankruptcy lawyer from indiana sued mark zuckerberg the ceo of meta he the lawyer posted ads on facebook to promote his practice mark zuckerberg esquire but they kept suspending him for impersonating mark zuckerberg

[01:57:44] and they made him pay for the advertisements even though he was suspended uh he says i can't use my name you don't you can't folks if your last name is zuckerberg do your kid a favor do not name him mark i can't use my name when making reservations or conducting business people assume i'm a prank caller and hang up my life sometimes feels like the michael jordan espn commercial where a regular person's name

[01:58:11] causes constant mix mix ups uh the lawsuit is ongoing february 20th is the next filing deadline thank you amanda keep us up to date on that do you remember when the founder of mix panel suhail doshi posted on x to warn fellow entrepreneurs about a young engineer soham parek he'd hired parek to work for his company but then realized he was

[01:58:38] working for several companies at once this is an epidemic by the way yeah yeah i fired this guy in his first week told him to stop lying and scamming people he hasn't stopped a year later no more excuses it turned out that doshi wasn't the only one three days later i mean sorry just that day three founders reached out to thank him they were also employing parek but i know people i have to say i know people work at home this is one of the reasons companies don't like work at home who have multiple 40 hour

[01:59:08] a week jobs because they go well i get the job done it doesn't matter if i work 40 hours for them or not that's what the reddit uh forum is for uh over employed over employed yeah yes there's a subreddit yeah i love it do you remember when sam altman got in trouble for using his olive oil wrong what it was it was a video made for the financial times lunch with financial times and sam

[01:59:37] deciding to show he was a regular person made pasta but he bought this very it's very trending you'll see this in stores olive oil called graza they have two olive oils in squeeze convenient squeeze bottles one's called sizzle which you're supposed to use for cooking and one's called drizzle which you're supposed to use is too good to cook with you're supposed to use that for dipping or topping but sam apparently squeezed his drizzle on his sizzle

[02:00:06] uh and uh got there was a let's just put it this way there was a social media uproar faux chisel oh shizzle man um mark zuckerberg as you know writing big checks to hire people for open ai but it wasn't just money at one point he actually delivered soup to a guy he wanted to recruit

[02:00:34] uh he in december open ai's chief research officer mark chen said on a podcast he'd heard mark was hand delivering soup to recruits in fact he went to chen's direct reports and tried to woo them away with soup so chen went and gave his own soup to meta employees uh it goes on i won't i won't i will go

[02:01:01] to techcrunch read a man his article you can find out why you might need to sign an nda if you're going to build legos uh you might be surprised to hear uh that uh brian johnson was live streaming his shroom trip um gemini and claude reckoning with their mortality by playing pokemon lots of stories it was a crazy

[02:01:30] crazy year the picture on the front is elon musk's anime girlfriend yes did you have you played with the uh the uh little avatars they have on grok i have not touched anything don't twitter touches the operative word yeah yes there's a um there's so there's that the anime avatar that you can apparently

[02:01:54] get not only to talk sexy but to start stripping they also is a little fox and the day he rolled it out i i have on i am like corey doctorow and a non-consensual blue tick on x so as a result even though i pay them nothing i want to assure you i get grok pro and all the benefits of a twitter ultimate sure uh so i went and i they had the little fox and i talked to him and he it's actually a moment on

[02:02:24] intelligent machines that we had a sensor he he was so profane he started talking about i forgive me children don't listen to this tea bagging the mayor i said what he said yeah just tell me which mayor and i'll go tea bag him and then the next day it turned out that was the kid fox that was the one that was

[02:02:51] supposed to be for little kids grok's still in trouble this week uh grok's been a lot of trouble for po for allowing um ex-users and grok users to to create sexual images of women france has actually flagged the content as illegal according to bloomberg uh grok created and published images of minors in

[02:03:16] bikinis uh and other uh even worse uh poses uh in fact at one point it was i i i heard i didn't go there and i'm proud of this x was flooded with this content because once people figured out you could do it everybody had to try yeah uh they call it spicy mode oh good god which permits partial adult nudity

[02:03:45] sexually suggestive content that's apparently what i got was the spicy fox um grok's response a x's response is uh we will we will actively go after anybody does anything illegal and we'll refer you to the authorities so don't they rather than turn off the capability going back to the beginning of our

[02:04:12] conversation about productization of ai i wonder if this was an attempt to get out ahead of open ai's of course it was yeah uh because open ai is announced they're going to do adult allow adult content for adults but i think open ai is not going to be quite so uh salacious no no or something right no they're gonna go for her like the movie her if anything because well don't you think all men's obsessed

[02:04:38] with that these guys know the yeah right he loves scarlett johansson she doesn't love him so much these guys know that in the past we've always said technology is is driven by adult content the internet was vhs tapes were that's what killed betamax there was no adult content and this is you know this is nothing new but um like many people i have open ai mapped to the action button on my uh chat gpt open

[02:05:08] map the action button on your phone my iphone yeah and so when i'm just walking around i'll hit that button and ask questions and do you ask it far for sexy talk spicy questions hey what are you wearing right now well uh i'm actually water cooled yeah exactly i wish i had that creativity but mostly it's

[02:05:36] about pizza pizza where's it where's the best pizza where's the next pizza i know where the best pizza what's the best pizza in new york tell us closest pizza oh what's the best well i mean the best pizza in new york city look i can't get into trouble if i say the best that's gonna be very controversial but i will say my preferred slice that is in uh the new york times one of the best slices is definitely

[02:06:01] frank's on uh smith street in on court street in brooklyn oh i gotta go have you ever been to uh frank's john's on bleaker um no most of my pizza consumption is in brooklyn but uh i don't know can you get a good pizza in brooklyn i feel like you have to go into town oh can you get a good pizza frank's that pizza well i only reason i bring that up next time you're at john's on bleaker go next door john's there's always a line so i think it's got to be pretty good i think

[02:06:28] it's widely considered one of the best yeah i don't know if they do slices it's it's you know it's kind of many well if you don't do a slice what are you gotta have a slice slice and a coke what are you even pizza yeah and it's got to be so greasy and it's first you gotta put a little napkin you gotta fold it it's gotta fold and and the grease has to drip off the point or it's really not a sicilian slice which is a fantastic slice as well look i do not discriminate when it comes to my pizza

[02:06:58] um anyway go next door when you're at john's because that's where my son's sandwich shop is deemed oh i'll go to your sandwich shop deemed one of the top 50 restaurants in new york city according to the cider deemed by the new york times the best sandwich in new york city where is it what like it's on bleaker street bleaker and what jones excellent i'll go it's called salt hank and they only serve one sandwich it's a french dip that's it

[02:07:25] interesting they you know a couple of weeks ago he was going to uh expand because it's an expensive sandwich to make it's it's only the best cut of it's everything the best he said i didn't want to i didn't no compromise everything the best so it's a 32 dollar french dip sandwich i should warn you but bring it's good enough for two so it's really only 16 dollars uh and and they have that's it they have limeade and french fries and that's it but he was going to have another sandwich because it's

[02:07:52] expensive he's going to have a chicken sandwich it's less expensive to make he could have a less expensive sandwich nobody would order it all they ever want is the fry so he stopped he says i'm not going to stop down the kitchen and start making you know uh chicken parm sandwich that nobody orders we're going to stay with the french dip so i can be there in 20 minutes it's closed now in fact if you're going to go you got to get there before really pretty early they the

[02:08:19] doors open 11 30 but they sell out by two that's so cool that's the sign of a real restaurant is a line he says that's right he says new yorkers love to line up wow all the time what is this line i don't know shoes it's got to be good it's gonna be good it's where we get where we hand in our flipper zeros before we go to the inauguration that's what i was doing on break maybe i should put this flipper

[02:08:43] zero into my shopping cart case no so new york city has as many jurisdictions have california's about to do it banned cell phones in schools according to gothamist they've learned that that's a problem some students can't read clocks oh yeah uh that's a major skill they're not used to at all says tiana

[02:09:11] millen assistant principal at cardoza high school in queens teachers complain the maddie morinweg who teaches high school english in manhattan says the constant refrain is miss what time is it he said she says it's a constant source of frustration everyone wants to know how many minutes are left in class i finally got to the point where i started saying this is high school

[02:09:35] where's the big hand where's the little hand dan you learned how to tell time on a pie face on an analog clock right yeah of course of course it's on my you can't see it but it's on the wall i got my kid a little for i have a three-year-old and uh for the holidays i got her a little uh analog it's dinosaurs are you teaching her how to read the clock yeah that's what i want i wanted to be able to tell time on an analog clock and like for you i have one analog clock in here i've got a 40 clocks 40 ways

[02:10:04] to tell time but only one analog clock and the only reason i don't like them is because i have to set them by hand every twice a year i don't want to change the change every newsroom i've ever been in has analog clocks i mean there's a digital countdown but like there's analog clocks in newsrooms yeah it's said that you can tell kind of better where you are by the analog clock you see the yeah it's a more volume more glanceable i'm a digital guy would you feel dumb for not being able

[02:10:34] to read a sundial no exactly it's as antique as a sundial right right you know and because it's the nature of the technology of the time for the longest time the only way we could display a repeating cycle was to have some kind of circular mechanism so that's why we that's why clocks are designed that way but we don't have that we don't have that limitation anymore according to the new york city public

[02:11:01] schools the education department students are still taught how to read clocks in first and second grade the problem is they forget because they never never have to yeah they're never have to practice officials said kids are taught to say master terms like o'clock and half past o'clock how how how archaic is that o'clock it's three o'clock three oh the clock half past and quarter two in early

[02:11:30] elementary years but they they forgot the skill because they never used it it is two hours in the post meridian you know the post meridian of the o'clock it is kind of it is kind of archaic it's pretty funny i mean media it's uh the quarter hour because you're programming by the quarter hour oh yeah well i in fact yeah when i was doing radio i and ratings

[02:11:57] or a hot clock right yeah a hot clock i learned a hot clock i actually wrote a program yes exactly in a right i write you in a color code is this uh right is this a because i had to hit network yeah time uh you know you had to be done at oh 9 30. yep right the network sting would come on and if you kept talking didn't matter you're gone my radio mentor a guy named dave diamond this was one of the

[02:12:22] things we absolutely had to do is we had to to slice up a hot clock and then we we'd program it like what songs are you going to put in what hour and or what segment of the hour and he wanted to see that you had a a feel for the flow like could you program a flow the the it's hard and get drive a listener let's start pass the aqh and drive or drive up your your average quarter hour listens because they stay listening past the the 15 minute mark that's right and you get an extra quarter

[02:12:52] hour if they yes exactly that mark yep exactly don't have to listen for all 15 minutes just one minute just one minute yeah right that's why you say the bottom of the hour yeah and that's why you say uh give us 20 minutes we'll give you the world and yeah 10 10 10 10 news and all of that speaking of traffic on the eights radio yeah radio i feel like a dinosaur in some ways i had so i have i should fire

[02:13:20] up my hot clock i had to write it because i was so bad at sticking the timings because i had some that could move and some that couldn't move but if i was loose with it the the commercial break would move closer and closer to the network break and then i'd have to do like all of it all at once and did you ever have carts oh yeah slam the cart in slam the cart yeah slam the cart so i went to the

[02:13:47] bay area radio hall of fame awards a couple of months ago to uh to support my old friend cammy blackstone who got inducted into the bay area hall of fame and out front there was the kfrc mobile kfrc yeah mobile studio they had long ago retired at kfrc i don't even know if they're still around uh 610 kfrc

[02:14:11] the big 610 and that dr don in the morning and uh somebody hit they had retired or sold or i think actually they sent it to a junkyard the old mobile van somebody bought it and restored it they had a cutout of bobby ocean sitting in front of the microphone and they had all these cart machines yeah with the car and they had the cars these are they look like eight tracks they actually are eight tracks yeah but they only have one track on them and they're a loop and the reason you you

[02:14:40] want these is because you play it it's for the ad keeps going and gets it back to the start so when you hit that button it it plays you know 10 10 news and then it rewinds to the beginning again and you can hit it again in a few seconds yeah uh so they had all the carts yeah they make use of the cart machine on this last season the stranger things do they there's a cart now i have to watch it because

[02:15:03] there's a uh their central operations is uh a radio station that the kids have taken over oh my huh oh my cool that's kind of cool so it's an old school radio station yes it is because the show takes place in the 80s this last episode takes place in 80 in 89 i might have to watch that oh yeah i needed

[02:15:26] that uh that clock and i ended up uh writing uh a version of it for my successor um when he took over he took over the radio show i said okay you know you're gonna love doing this but the biggest issue is this clock you gotta you gotta do the clock right uh or they're gonna get mad at you so uh rich rich demuro i gave him a special uh version of the uh clock i think i even named it

[02:15:55] rich rich on tech the rich on tech clock and gave it to him i'm gonna see if i can find it i think i still have it here and in scheme and i wrote it in uh in racket yeah okay wow um i don't only because uh i guess uh well why no why i didn't do it in list because racket had a uh graphics uh library so i didn't have to go too far to to get the because it's a graphical clock

[02:16:22] do i have it oh well oh yeah if i just i run it will it run isn't it fun do you ever do that joey go through old archives of your old programming days and look at code that you wrote many years ago oh yeah i just crashed my machine the problem is a lot of it won't run anymore yes as i've just learned or the run times are gone

[02:16:51] because my first job out of school was working at a cd-rom company macro interactive multimedia in toronto and we they wrote in hyper card and super card and i convinced them just so that we could serve both platforms go to director huh and uh here is the uh here is the um hot clock oh look at that

[02:17:17] yeah there we go yeah radio station network hot clock that's the hot clock and i think let's see if this will run will it run oh yeah there's the so i have uh i have six minutes and 42 seconds left in this segment okay nice and then it's going to uh go yellow when i only have 30 seconds left and then it goes right when i have 10 seconds left and then it yells at me if i if i go over that i need this you

[02:17:46] know what i'm gonna benito's gonna make me bring this back so i don't so i don't show yeah i keep forgetting to do the commercials in fact let's do one right now and then finally i will talk about ces there's not that much to say we gotta we gotta talk about ces uh a very relaxed but i think very enjoyable uh version of twit this week thanks to dan patterson it's great to have you blackbird.ai you can go there and create a free account what is that what is the address for the uh fact checker

[02:18:16] uh we call it a a context checker because it provides a heck of a lot more context including like gifs or images it's compass.blackbird.ai that's compass.blackbird.ai i use it all the time it's if you read something pop a link online and you go where is that i don't know is that you know can you really drink spring water and cure cancer you could go to blackbird compass.blackbird.ai

[02:18:40] and ask and it's very useful if you want to oh really somebody on reddit that's the best way to do it oh oh really or oh actually oh actually compassed up well actually it's great to have you thank you dan i appreciate you being here and of course you can subscribe to dan's newsletter at news dot dan patterson dot com joey davila is also here hey there get get the accordion i think you might have

[02:19:05] to play a closing theme for us he's at globalnerdy.com look at that it's beautiful who makes the best accordions actually i have uh no idea and i'm sure some accordionists are going to get on me and in fact i found out that this accordion is more valuable than i thought i bought this off a drummer for i bought this off a drummer for 80 bucks nice and it turns out this is a post-world war ii

[02:19:31] camerano i was gonna say it looks like the the colors in the body that look pretty sweet and then i just added puffy stars glitter stickers just for fun this is the beater accordion this is the one that i take to that i take out drinking it's always somebody's birthday at a bar so this is a machine that turns music into free beer i like it awesome yeah camera okay this is the first we've never had an

[02:19:57] accordion on twit okay and the ai cameraman i used to do a radio show a little good friend of mine tom santos uh who uh had a band called those darn accordions yeah it was a giant accordion band oh yeah many many accordions so that's why people said those darn accordions and i can play the official the official unofficial anthem of ai what's that okay and it goes like this

[02:20:28] i was gonna get a job but then came a i i'm now an unemployed snob because of ai i'm hiding from terminators yeah you know why yeah hey because of ai because of me yeah

[02:20:54] thank you joey davila everybody whoo and where's my applause button my radio applause button yes joey thank you joey davila hey everybody global nerdy.com wow this is like the old radio show we'll have uh we'll have more in just a bit you're watching this week in tech first show of 2026 and we're beginning it with a bang actual accordion serenade our show today brought to you by and when i say brought to you by i mean it

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[02:23:33] about five seconds three five four three i think it yes now we're running out of time no we're not actually but we would be if we were on the radio that's one of the reasons i don't miss the radio everything right dan the everything you gotta you can't do anything long i miss the urgency of live yeah um that's why everything i do is live still because i do love live you know if if this weren't live would

[02:24:01] we have joey davila singing because of ai no i think not i think not uh all right ces you're not going neither of you going next week we will actually tell you what was gonna what happened at ces uh because father robert ballast will be here we're gonna get jason heiner on i think too he uh will be there love yeah jason's jennifer patterson too as well who will be oh jpt she's she'll be covering uh

[02:24:27] home automation at the show so yeah really good panel next week for covering it we're the three who a honda afila this is this is the car they keep showing every year the afila one will be showcased um that's the worst name for a car i i have to think they were thinking of i feel you right for

[02:24:57] almost a decade they've been showing off this car we don't know what it's going to look like because you know they they they don't they only show you a teaser a video that'll be streamed monday january 5th at 8 00 pm eastern so tomorrow um 20 since ces 2020 they've been showing this car will they ever sell it um i don't know they say it'll be 90 000 but i don't think they're making it yet

[02:25:24] uh tim stevens good friend of the show said it feels like a playstation 4 in the ps5 era oh that stings samsung's going to be doing their thing tonight their first look ces 2026 presentation the first press conference it's tonight uh in just a couple of hours i think 7 p.m pacific 10

[02:25:48] p.m eastern you can watch it on youtube or on the samsung newsroom or if you have a samsung tv guess what it'll be on the samsung tv plus they are going to be announcing i think the newest qd oled i have their original qd oled which is the best no don't confuse it with q led which is an lcd screen an led backlit lcd screen qd oled is a true oled screen but brighter with quantum quantum dot

[02:26:17] technology they say they have the brightest qd oled they're going to announce tonight uh i think they said 500 nits uh i really i it is my favorite tv the qd oled i'm not crazy about samsung tvs you know all that samsung stuff in the back but uh okay um you've got some stuff dan you're looking for

[02:26:44] uh really you're going to get one of these the clicks communicator no i just think like when i think about the interesting things at ces i really have a hard time because it is a cycle a lot of the stuff that's announced at ces never makes it to yeah exactly um like the afila i this is the one thing

[02:27:08] if i if i thought about a thing at ces i like this thing um is it a phone yeah i mean it's an android phone but in a blackberry format and i kind of like that i'm also i'm not on social media and right you know i'm an ios user but i always have some sort of android backup and um it it just it looks it's

[02:27:33] compelling because of the price point and because it doesn't do um and what doesn't it do well it's half a screen and it has a massive keyboard on it uh i i'm sure it'll do all of i'm sure you could do instagram on it does it have a camera uh yeah it seems like it has a pretty perfunctory camera on it it just seems like uh compelling because of the price point and because of that keyboard um but the real

[02:28:02] story and and the real or the thing that i am most interested in is uh the storing price of ram and what's that what the impact the follow-on the knock effects of uh ram prices on consumer electronics that is one of the reasons i bought that that thinkpad now is because i was very worried how much a laptop would cost later this year i want to get apple's you know it's rumored and i think it's

[02:28:28] probably true that they're going to announce a fully redesigned macbook pro at the end of this year or early next year that will have an oled screen i only buy oleds now i sucked in on by the oleds and uh and it will have the uh i guess m6 processor so it'll be a brand new two nanometer tsmc two nanometer system on a chip so it's a reasonable upgrade for my m3 macbook pro um but i'm afraid about how much it's

[02:28:58] going to cost because with any reasonable amount of ram and now with ai these days you you want 64 gigs the effect you want more if you can get it yeah totally depends on how apple builds uh the m series of chips because unlike most other laptops the ram is incorporated directly in like it's all there on that single chip versus most other laptops the windows they still have to buy d rams though to put it on there

[02:29:25] so it's not like they're not affected by the price they might be less affected only because they buy everything i was just gonna say yeah uh i'm well i'm not sure how they make the m1s because i think uh the the actual memory circuitry is part of the process on the die it's right on the die i don't

[02:29:45] know if they buy that separately or do that of an apple tsmc when they're making it yeah um apple supply chain is unique and you might be right because they are so differentiated in the market but i i think everyone will be constrained by ram prices in the next 36 months or so like uh yeah like is ram is ram the

[02:30:14] new air conditioning copper pipe like are we going to just start having people steal it the other thing that uh might protect you is apple already grossly overcharges for memory they have a certain amount of uh headroom built into this right and they they put in these orders long in advance and i think that that might be something that insulates them a little bit

[02:30:38] whether it insulates consumers who knows yeah yeah because that yeah because tim cook is a supply chain genius that right that was his then going back to apple in china it describes much of those processes in china the supply chain and their build up in china so d ram prices uh have doubled uh in fact so much

[02:31:01] so that uh micron uh which consumers has decided to stop selling to consumers because there's so much more money to be made selling to to manufacturers that is a shame because you know i love crucial ram it's i know crucial's great in the windows machine behind me yeah um apple i think gets its d rams from samsung

[02:31:24] uh and will be facing uh i think price increases if they haven't already locked in prices and that's that's what you're saying dan is they probably have locked in locked it in yeah a long time ago um right now d ram is more than twice as expensive uh as it was this time last year and v ram is bananas right maybe maybe maybe we should put out a call right here on twit uh intel this is your chance you

[02:31:52] started in ram come back to ram please intel right come back start making so here i found an article from tech nave that says that samsung's agree or rather apple's agreements with samsung and sk hynix are expected to expire in january this year oh if that's true then uh there could be a crunch uh i don't know apple has done a pretty good job so far of insulating i mean the iphone which again was

[02:32:22] premium price to begin with did not go up in price uh particularly this year right the iphone 17 is roughly the same price as it was last the 16 was last year um maybe there might be a trend towards hyper efficient hyper memory efficient programming like it's time to break out would that be fun see books it's time to time to pull out the kernahan and richie book everybody learn c or relearn it

[02:32:48] and the gaming world is melting down right now though yeah oh yeah gpus well that but that's been that's an ongoing thing because nvidia gpus went through the roof and of course yeah from two grand for the five series to five amazing amazing so this has already been a problem for years in the in the gaming community now with ram and gpu prices skyrocketing and the thing is ai also drives that not

[02:33:15] only does ai use gpus but it needs ram i bought a framework desktop with 128 gigs of ram so i could run local ais and and it's running on the amd stricts halo platform which means like apple has the ram access is universal to both the gpu and the cpu so you can use much i think up to 92 gigs of that

[02:33:38] ram as uh effectively as gpu ram as as your ai's ram so that's why i bought that machine but but that's gonna you know it's not just open ai that needs ram for its training it's everybody who wants to use ai in their businesses and their homes local ai that kind of thing it's going to be a crunch i've pointed this out before though remember every time there's a shortage like this companies respond by bumping up

[02:34:07] capacity now they have to build new factories to do that they're already in capacity with existing factories so it's not going to happen this year but in a couple of years ram may plummet again because of oversupply because they've built so many new factories to take advantage of this you know windfall pricing so we'll see i wouldn't be surprised to see ram come down in two years to even cheaper yeah but you know what the quantum people will then hog the ram just like right there's always

[02:34:36] somebody right yeah because before it was crypto right and now this has become a very manhattan-centric show we're going to do as i do usually at the end of every show uh kind of obituaries end of the line and the it was the end of the line for the metro card this year now you know i know dan and when you ride that subway into town you have that little yellow card with the mag strip on it i probably have

[02:35:02] a few every time i go to the city i buy a metro card um well you won't need it in fact the last time i was in the city i think jeff jarvis said oh no don't buy a metro card use your watch just yeah yeah watch or just tap your phone your phone and i didn't even need to sign up i just tapped my watch and it went and then you're in yeah i don't think i got the senior discount

[02:35:27] uh the metro card there is even a uh a video youtube video star podcast where he interviews people pertaining the met on the subway pretending the metro card is the microphone it's hysterical but that credit card is is is going away because uh the mta uh is phasing it out in favor of tap to pay the new system is known as omni one metro new york uh it'll save a lot of money uh for the mta every

[02:35:56] year less plastic waste shorter lines and you know if you've got a if you're lucky you got a watch or a phone you just tap it i don't know what people do who don't have that though do you still have subway tokens oh god no no i i grew up in the token era yeah i i remember the tokens but the tokens have been a metro card's been around forever i think i might frame mine i can't i cannot remember a time where

[02:36:20] i don't have a metro card in my wallet uh jody shapiro who is the transit museum curator said when the metro card debuted in 1994 everybody was like i don't want to give up my tokens you'll get my tokens out of my cold dead hands but of course tokens went away everybody got used to the plastic metro cards uh and and you know you have to it's not easy to swipe those you've got to really know exactly

[02:36:48] it's an it's an art just walking yeah it's an art but you know what it killed the great token counterfeit token industry oh the gray token market yeah or black token market really didn't did tokens they had they were like chinese coins right they had a hole in the middle right yeah uh in new york yeah that was in toronto no we had tiny little tiny tokens a little bit smaller what does toronto do now

[02:37:13] do they have cards or there's a car yeah there's a card yeah and france have the be it it's it's the end of the line for the uh metro card uh and i guess if you don't what do you do i don't understand what you do does everybody have to have a smartphone now i know but the other thing is you know what that might also uh put a damper on the great new york tradition of jumping the turnstile because if

[02:37:40] your phone's in your pocket it'll register it uh we're getting rid of uh the turnstiles there there's new um non-jumpable are they gates oh yeah there's gates and big barriers on the turnstiles now and then i guess uh the last story is a sad story what one of the people who started this business stewart sheffay the creator of the computer chronicles passed away december 28th he was 87

[02:38:09] years old i'm sure most of the people who watch this show our show or watch tech tv remember stewart in fact i interviewed stewart on a triangulation episode uh where it was just fascinating he told the story of how computer chronicles started he was a station manager at a public tv station in san mateo california kcsm and this was in uh the early 80s uh he decided that maybe they should do a a

[02:38:38] computer show and uh he created computer chronicles but he said i wasn't a like a coding geek i was uh i was

[02:38:47] just a um uh you know a regular geek a fan of technology and so uh i decided i had to have a coding geek on the show here i am interviewing uh stewart in our old uh our old studio so he uh found somebody a guy named you may remember this name gary killed all yeah who created cpm and then uh founded digital research created dr dos and in the early days of computer chronicles

[02:39:16] it was hosted by stewart sheffay and gary killed all there are videos uh lots of them on youtube of the original computer chronicles here they are at comdex speaking of trade shows showing off the uh first macintosh uh computer uh computer um there's gary interviewing somebody at the telos booth this is uh this is a lot of fun for me if you haven't seen uh computer chronicles stewart told me that the best place to

[02:39:46] get it is not on youtube where they're kind of pirated copies of vhs tapes but go to um the uh internet archives where uh they have all of the shows stewart donated uh all of his uh masters to the internet archive and you can watch there's gary killed all you can watch uh the old computer chronicles uh shows if you want and it really is a trip back in time uh there is one i've seen on youtube but i'm sure they have it on

[02:40:15] the archive as well with john c devorak looking particularly nerdy in his aviator glasses um steward sheffay uh lived a good long life passed away at the age of 87 but he was so instrumental in i really was the first i'm pretty sure the first a computer tv show uh and paved the way for all the rest of us so uh r.i.p stewart you'll be missed he's a great guy and the triangulation episode is on

[02:40:45] our website at twitter.tv slash uh tri it was episode 114 from august 7th 2013 um it was a lot of fun to sit and talk to stewart and remember the good old days of computing dan patterson great to see you once again i'm glad you're doing well so nice to know that uh i hope this better yeah senior director of

[02:41:13] content blackbird ai daddy to a three-year-old teaching how to read a pie clock and soon a flipper zero that's next that's next very important you know you gotta i think honestly bringing a kid up nowadays you got to start to introduce technology at some point at the same time i understand why

[02:41:35] parents are very reluctant to um get their kids in front of a screen what are you going to do um boy that's a challenge uh i know a lot of parents just do apple watch but i i mean really i'm just going to teach literacy and skepticism good you need both and of course yeah she'll be using compass

[02:41:58] dot blackbird dot ai at a very early age subscribe to dan's uh newsletter uh it is the news at news dot dan patterson dot com thank you dan thank you nerdy little joey de villa global nerdy.com which is by the way um a site devoted to kind of just fun stuff quirky stuff how long have you been doing that blog

[02:42:26] since 2006. wow this is a blog in the original sense of a blog isn't it like where you just put stuff that you're interested in quotes pictures stories it's really good i highly recommend it globalnerdy.com yeah the uh yeah the domain actually uh was came from uh came from an app the application

[02:42:51] i built for two cows called the duke of earl url yeah that way and it was and basically you'd give it some keywords and it would suggest available domain domain names for you and global nerdy was one of them so i said hey i like that i'll buy that one is there uh you you have also the adventures of accordion guy in the 21st century that is my original one and uh yeah that's from 2001 and i made

[02:43:16] it because cory uh i kept sending cory suggestions for stories when he was on boing boing and he said start your own blog and i did yeah cory's no longer with boing boing boing boing lives on it's been yeah it's been a while yeah so yeah that one that one's been going on since 2001 nice nice the adventure is there any accordion music on here uh i need to get back to that i used to do more because of ai did

[02:43:44] you you got to record that and put it up somewhere well that's that's on the global nerdy youtube channel oh okay all right so yeah i do a couple of versions of it and i'm trying to do a full one with more verses including what about the price of ram and getting catfish so all the usual yeah all the usual all the usual stuff and i need to record the oompa loompa service pack two song

[02:44:09] all right global nerdy it's a youtube.com slash at global nerdy let's get some more subscribers in there and uh and look for the uh accordion music yeah that's a relatively new project and i've got to start covering some of my ai projects including uh what we talked about in intelligent machines the uh too many cats mcp server and other that was great yeah you i learned how i learned how easy it was to

[02:44:38] write an mcp server thanks to you uh he is a uh ai developer advocate and uh available for contract work of course yes where should people or higher do you have insurance i love insurance and oh nowadays see this is where you miss what you miss but leaving canada you know if you're still up there in toronto you'd have uh health care oh yeah i do miss that part i know i know renee ritchie when he uh struck

[02:45:07] out on his own on youtube said i couldn't do this if i didn't live in canada but i can do it because i have health care i have health insurance otherwise i'd have to have a real job of course he ended up taking a real job at youtube anyway but he's been okay it's it's hard to turn down when google comes a calling hard to say hard to say no uh thank you joey thank you dan great to see both of you thank you a lot of fun joey great to meet you great to meet you some real history with the joe

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