In this compelling episode, Carrie Richardson interviews Justin Breen, a master connector who spends his days linking some of the world's most brilliant and misunderstood visionaries. Justin delves deep into the world of high EQ and IQ individuals—those rare few who are focused on creating lasting legacies rather than just building empires. Through his unique perspective, Justin shares how he identifies and connects these visionaries, allowing them to amplify their impact on the world.
Whether you're a visionary yourself or someone who wants to better understand the mindset of those who are changing the world, this episode is packed with insights. Justin also discusses the importance of tools like the Kolbe Index and how it helps visionaries understand their strengths and weaknesses, leading to greater alignment and success.
Episode Highlights:
- Connecting Visionaries: How Justin identifies and links some of the world's most misunderstood geniuses.
- Building Legacies vs. Empires: Why true visionaries focus on purpose over profit.
- The Kolbe Index: Understanding how your brain takes action and why it matters.
- Embracing Misunderstanding: The pain and power of being a misunderstood visionary.
- Family and Vision: Justin's reflections on raising children with a visionary mindset.
Notable Quotes:
- "Empires destroy. Legacies build."
- "Visionaries are not afraid of risk—they're not afraid of anything."
- "To be great is to be misunderstood."
Guest Information:
Justin Breen is a visionary connector, author, and entrepreneur dedicated to linking high EQ and IQ individuals who are focused on making a significant impact on the world. He is the founder of the Epic Fit Network, where he creates environments for these rare individuals to connect and collaborate.
Links and Resources Mentioned:
- Kolbe Index: kolbe.com
- Epic Fit Network: TheEpicFit.com
- Justin Breen's Books: Coming soon - "Epic Journey"
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Carrie Richardson: So tell me a little bit about yourself.
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Justin Breen: Great to be here.
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I just spend my day connecting visionaries to serve humanity.
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So it's a lot of fun.
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Carrie Richardson: What does that look like?
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Justin Breen: Talking to the world's most understood
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brightest biggest empaths, highest EQIQ maybe one out of
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10, 000 humans.
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Finding them, and then connecting them to other
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misunderstood geniuses and then creating companies and purpose
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out of that.
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Carrie Richardson: Walk me through how the the process
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works.
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Justin Breen: You're strategic, and work in the nuts and bolts
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world.
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I appreciate that.
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Okay.
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I don't care what someone does.
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I don't care where they live.
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I don't care how many employees they have a totally meaningless
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to me.
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Visionaries want to change the world They live in pure full
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abundance and they look at everything as an investment, not
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cost.
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If you want to put a label on them, I would say most of them
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are founders.
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Most of them are very wealthy.
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but some aren't.
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They're all changing the world.
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They're not transactional, they're living in purpose.
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They're living well past their own lifetime.
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They're not narcissists.
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I, so I don't know if that answers the question, but that's
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how I look at things.
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Carrie Richardson: You're connecting people who are
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building legacies.
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Versus empires.
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Justin Breen: Empires destroy.
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Carrie Richardson: Where were you before you were here?
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Justin Breen: You like to land the plane to understand, I
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understand.
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I'm just a soul simplifier that connects soul amplifiers.
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So amplifiers, they're the ones that create things that help the
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world create legacies.
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And they're totally misunderstood by almost
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everyone.
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And but I understand them and they understand me.
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So I connect them.
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That journey for me will never stop.
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And then there's the technology that Allows it to go faster, but
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I've always been this person.
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Carrie Richardson: So we talked a lot about the Kolbe when we
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were interacting before this.
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How did you come across Kolbe and why do you place so much
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meaning in the results?
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Justin Breen: Tremendous.
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Yeah.
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I love that question.
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I guess for me, even though most of the time I'm flying the
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plane, Kolbe for me helps land it.
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It helps simplify it because I just want the answer.
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I don't need 3 million pieces of context or overthinking.
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I just want the answer.
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Just give me the answer.
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So in terms of identifying a visionary in a number way,
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because I see the world in numbers and keywords, but in a
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number way, certainly usually, not always, but usually
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visionaries have Kolbe's similar to yours, which is for those,
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uh, I guess I will provide context here, but so yours is a
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three, three, nine, four.
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Kolbe.
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com, K O L B E.
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com, A index, it takes 20 minutes.
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It measures how your brain takes action.
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I don't care, what you do or where you live, that's totally
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meaningless.
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I just want to know if you're going to do something.
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And then most visionaries are like you, like a 3 3 9 4.
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The average score of the visionary I talk to is a 3, so
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you're a 3 So the 9, Quick start.
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That means boom idea.
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10 is the highest.
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Most people I talked to are nine in human world.
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And nine quick starts.
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Pretty rare.
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In my world.
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It's average.
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And also having a nine quick start means you're not afraid of
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risk.
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Visionaries are not afraid of anything.
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They're not afraid.
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Most humans are.
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They're dependent on the visionary to give them A job or
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I don't know, a salary, whatever which is fine.
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That's fine.
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And then most visionaries, not all, but most are very similar
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to your follow through, which is a three.
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One is the lowest.
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So you're a nine quick start three follow through.
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So without humans or a stabilizer and an assistant.
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Or being married to a stabilizing human disaster
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usually, total disaster, because that's ADD, ADHD, diagnosed or
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undiagnosed, it's not a disorder, sign of genius,
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mislabeled by humans who don't understand visionaries, because
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visionaries are the most understood people on planet, and
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I just connect misunderstood people to help them.
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Find understanding.
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Okay, so that's yours.
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3, 3, 9 4.
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And then I'm the very very rare visionary who is 8, 6, 7 1.
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It's a unicorn score.
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I've never met another 8, 6, 7 1.
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So I have seven quick start, which is high six follow
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through, which for a visionaries astronomically off the charts,
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it's, that doesn't really exist.
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And then I'm also a very high fact finder.
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Eight is the fact finder.
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10 is the highest.
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I've never met a 10 fact finder.
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I don't think I will.
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Only met three or four nines and I'm an eight.
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So I'm like a visionary integrator and researcher in one
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person.
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And then you're a, you're just a pure visionary with a little bit
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of implementing skills, like you can build stuff with your hands.
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Or draw or something
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Carrie Richardson: I like doing crafty things,
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Justin Breen: So your numbers don't have a defined beginning
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or end, right?
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Where you can pick up.
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It's not you have no follow through and it's not going to be
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an end so then you can explain what I just said by knowing your
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number.
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Carrie Richardson: One of the things I went and reviewed my
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Kolbe because I had looked at it in years.
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We worked with a consultant that used Kolbe as a personality
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assessment.
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Justin Breen: Not your personality has nothing to do
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with it.
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That's why I like it.
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Carrie Richardson: Are you saying that the, your Kolbe
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score won't change over time?
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It'll be like that forever.
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Justin Breen: Great question.
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So that, and that also has nothing to do with it, but it
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has Kolbe is how your brain It's action.
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It has nothing to do with your personality.
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Kolbe changes 12 percent of the time.
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Here's where I see it change.
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I talked to someone in my world visionary world.
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I'll talk to someone and let's say they're a 6 quick start and
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they'll be talking like you're talking right now.
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I'm like, you're not a, you're not a 6 quick start you're an 8
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or 9 and they retake it.
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And then they're an 8 or 9 and they're like, how'd you know
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that?
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I go well, because you were surrounded by humans and you
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thought you had to be this type of person.
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So you trapped yourself into being a 6 quick start, but
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you're not you're a 9.
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It does change 12 percent of the time, but 88 percent of the time
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it doesn't.
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People like us usually marry stabilizing humans, and if not,
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it's Thelma and Louise.
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Imagine being married to yourself.
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Two problems.
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Yeah, crash and burn.
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Visionaries will start the fire in their own building to create
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the solution to that problem.
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Usually people like us, my wife's a pediatrician and who
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runs the company, and she runs our company.
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So usually like a pediatrician, a stabilizer, an engineer, a
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lawyer, a human.
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That's high achieving human, but it's stabilized.
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But so I'm 47.
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I've been like this my whole life.
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Unconsciously, I was like this my whole life and then
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consciously becoming an entrepreneur seven years ago and
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then really consciously getting the second company going and
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then like off the charts, awareness, consciousness
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finishing this third book.
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My favorite quote had been from Earl Nightingale.
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He's the O.
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G.
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he's long gone, but he's the O.
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G.
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and my favorite quote from him was success is the progressive
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realization of a worthy ideal.
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Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.
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So my worthy ideal is connecting visionaries to serve humanity.
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I'm just going to keep getting progressively Better at that
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constantly.
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Carrie Richardson: So is there a group of me like how to how do
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we all connect?
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Justin Breen: I invest well over 100 K a year to be in the right
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rooms.
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And I love the rooms that I'm in that I invest in.
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It's great.
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But was tired of being in rooms where many folks act like
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they're visionaries, but they're not.
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They're only worried about.
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Finance or raising money in this lifetime.
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And I can see right through it.
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Because it was journalist for 20 years.
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And you don't get into that for raising money and you just can,
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you just talk to people and listen to them.
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I was just tired of being in rooms where most of the people
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are saying something, but they're acting much different.
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Cause talk is meaningless to me, unless you do something created
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a room with a hundred percent visionaries who are a hundred
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percent are living well past their own lifetimes and they
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want to serve humanity.
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my partner's an empath who does eight and nine figure deals all
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day.
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That makes absolutely no sense, but that's what it is.
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And then they've built the company.
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So we have a virtual meetings 3 to 4 a month.
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We have in person meetings.
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We just started an MBA program for our members.
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We have our own TV channel now with 30 million reach for our
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members to have their own shows on and started a philanthropic
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wing.
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But I don't do any of that stuff that would, I would destroy the
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company.
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If I got involved with that and just let others who are much
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better at it, do it.
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Carrie Richardson: What is the name of the company?
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Justin Breen: Oh Epic fit network.
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It's the website is the epic fit.
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com, the epic fit.
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com.
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Carrie Richardson: So your highest and best use in your
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organization is as a connector.
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Justin Breen: So as simple as that question was.
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That's one of the best questions I've ever heard.
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One, thank you for asking that.
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I'm just a connector at the very highest level possible.
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And all I want is better and better connections, but I will
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explain what that means one, it's with visionaries, I think
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as important, if not more important, it's connecting
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patterns in a way That certainly visionaries can understand, but
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also the people in visionaries lives can understand, so they
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can understand them.
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And somehow, I don't know how, but my heart and brain, they're
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combined, they're able to make that connection.
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That, that's, it's probably because that's all I'm focused
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on.
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I don't think about anything else.
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Holding a pencil is very hard for me.
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I just, we just broke the blinds in our house so the blinds are
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just gonna, it's just gonna lay there, get someone to fix it,
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but maybe you can help, you could probably do it, but you're
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a high implementer, but
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Carrie Richardson: I would just take a sheet and some tacks.
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That would be my solution.
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Simplicity.
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Justin Breen: Perfect.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I'm getting dread thinking about that right now.
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So because it's such a singular focus and success as progressive
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realization, where the ideal, then it just keeps getting
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progressively, it just gets more and more interesting.
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And then.
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And then just keep writing about those patterns and connectivity
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and this epic journey book I don't know how to explain it
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other than it came from a higher power that just channeled
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through me.
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So I wasn't like that even.
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A couple of months ago, so very grateful to, to be able to have
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this ability and then to help people with it to help.
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Carrie Richardson: They say that when Bill Wilson wrote the book
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of Alcoholics Anonymous that he was divinely inspired by it.
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And it has been called the single greatest contribution to
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humanity made, by a human
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Justin Breen: alien.
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But yes, a human, a barely human.
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Yeah.
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Carrie Richardson: He was an interesting fellow.
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Justin Breen: So interesting, eclectic, what would a human
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call him?
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Weird, crazy.
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But again, to be great.
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So my favorite quote now is from Emerson Emerson from the 1840s
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to be great is to be, misunderstood to be great is to
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be misunderstood.
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And when you're misunderstood your entire life it's very
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painful, but it's also necessary to reach the highest level of
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consciousness.
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It's that type of pain.
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In one of our meetings we had A man named Alfonso James come to
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speak to the group and Alfonso he spent 32 years in prison, 32
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years in prison for a crime he did not commit.
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He wasn't even at the scene.
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First degree murder, not at the scene, 32 years in prison.
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And so he spoke to the group about how grateful I repeat how
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grateful he was for that for that experience.
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For context.
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So he was 32 years in prison, Nelson Mandela served 27, 27
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years, so five more than Mandela.
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And and then so Alfonso and I become friends and then one of
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the chapters in Epic Journeys about him and the chapters about
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the quote he sent to me after we became friends.
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He that is perfect is perfecting perfection in me.
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He that is perfect is perfecting perfection in me.
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So that's the quote he lives by.
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So that to me is like a higher power of success is the
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progressive realization of a worthy ideal.
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Carrie Richardson: How do you spend your days?
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Justin Breen: Like this.
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Yeah.
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It's either like this or our sons are 11 and 9.
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They're both 9 quick starts.
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Unemployable little versions of Earl Nightingale our 11 year old
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son, Jake, just won his first overall 5k title.
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Against 308, mostly adults.
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And just, and just a very kind, loving child.
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And then our nine year old's a little pure little version of
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Earl Nightngale.
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We talked about bending time and IQ.
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He considers life one long, great day.
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Yesterday's before you were born.
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Tomorrow's after you die.
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So there's no days or weeks and all that, whatever that stuff
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is, human construct.
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And then there are two ways to have a great day.
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One, create more living things.
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Two, do what you like to do and what you're good at and keep
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getting better at it.
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So that was when we were talking like that when he was eight.
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Now he makes cool drawings about triangle partnerships.
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I spent a lot of time with them.
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And then having a heart and brain like this as you can
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imagine, can be overwhelming at times.
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So we play a lot of baseball we go fishing a lot We have a lot
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of free time to diffuse and relax the heart and brain.
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Carrie Richardson: So is your wife's a pediatrician.
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What is her Kolbe?
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Justin Breen: She's an 8742.
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If and when she retakes it, which she probably will because
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it changes 12 percent of the time and hers definitely has
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changed because you asked about it.
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The talk is meaningless without an answer, but she would
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probably be a seven, seven, Five or six, her quick starts gone up
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to a five or six.
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It's not a seven, but it's a five or six.
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And then she's probably a one implementer now.
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Carrie Richardson: So are the eights, the thing that make you
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compatible or the differences, the things that make you
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compatible?
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Justin Breen: Without speaking for her I'll answer for how I
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feel it does.
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I'll answer it in a non Kolbe way.
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Other than because I think Kolbe for us is somewhat compatible.
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Usually people like us have your type of score and then they'll
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marry someone like Sarah's score because it's collaborative
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follow through, which I don't need that.
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Our scores are fairly similar and then my quick start has
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pushed her quick start to go up.
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But in Sarah's, in my case, I would say Gallup Clifton
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Strength finders, it's a better it's a better collaborative
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match.
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Meaning this.
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So Sarah is Harmony Relator Achiever.
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Harmony Relator Achiever.
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Carrie Richardson: That's her question profile?
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Justin Breen: Yes.
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Harmony Relator Achiever.
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Okay.
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So I am 31 out of 34 in Harmony.
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So she is Collaborative Harmony.
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I'm somewhat high in Relator.
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But she's collaborative or later she can talk and harmonize with
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anyone.
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As you can imagine the way I talk and feel and think it does
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not agree.
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And then, so I am activator maximizer achiever.
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So Sarah and I are both achiever three, but she just does it with
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sunshine and rainbows and kumbaya stuff.
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Carrie Richardson: I'm an ideation activator command,
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Justin Breen: I'm 32 out of 34 in ideation, 95 percent of the
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people I talked to our top five in ideation and or futuristic.
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So they're often wherever that world is.
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Which is great, but they have a mix of activator maximizer and
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achievers.
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So they're often future world, but they'll do something about
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it.
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Now, if you're often future world and don't do anything to
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activate it pointless.
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I am a simplifier and I hear, I talk to ADD folks whether
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they're diagnosed or undiagnosed and they're blah, blah, blah,
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blah, blah, blah.
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And I'm like no.
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Yes, connect.
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No, yes, connect.
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No, yes, connect.
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Yes, connect.
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And then they amplify however they want to, I don't care what
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they do with it as long as they help humanity, it doesn't matter
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to me.
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Just help somebody with it.
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Carrie Richardson: So are you thinking there is a high link
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between those quick starts and the ADHD diagnosis.
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Justin Breen: No, I don't think that there's that's well eight
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fact finder kicking in.
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So when you talk to thousands of pound thousands and then in our
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room, there are only four people under a seven quickstart, only
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four members.
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But no, it's, Because high quick start represents not afraid of
00:16:41
risk.
00:16:42
A true visionary is not really a true visionary, but not a
00:16:46
business owner, not a consultant.
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A true visionary is not afraid of anything.
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Nothing.
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Because if you're your own limiter, how can you help?
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How can you truly help?
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If you have limits.
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And you're talking about unlocking other people's limits
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and you have limits.
00:17:05
It's hypocrisy.
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It's complete hypocrisy.
00:17:08
And I hear that all the time.
00:17:10
I talk to people all the time that talk about this vision and
00:17:14
stuff and all that.
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And then they ask, what do you cost or charge?
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They're their own limiter.
00:17:19
Carrie Richardson: How do you moderate a room full of nines?
00:17:23
Justin Breen: Best question.
00:17:23
Second best question.
00:17:24
So here's what happens because it's collaborative
00:17:26
understanding.
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Oh, finally a whole room of people that understand me, not
00:17:30
narcissists, not people trying to sell something.
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Sell comes from the word sale, which means dull and dirty,
00:17:36
nothing to sell.
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That's why I'm like, I don't even want to say the name of my
00:17:40
company.
00:17:40
I don't, it's, you had to force that out of me, which I
00:17:42
appreciate that.
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But that's when there's collaborative empathy.
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Finally understanding and then it's the greatest room of all
00:17:48
time.
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That's what happens because the people finally understand each
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other.
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To be great is to be misunderstood.
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That's why it's the greatest room because it's the most
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understanding of the most understood people.
00:18:00
Great question.
00:18:02
Everyone calms down.
00:18:05
Carrie Richardson: Is it based on attraction or promotion?
00:18:08
How do you bring more people together?
00:18:09
How do we find you?
00:18:11
Justin Breen: Thank you.
00:18:13
At this point most of the time, most of the time there, most of
00:18:19
the time, and I know I reached out to you because there was a
00:18:22
you and Dave's one of our members.
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He's a 10 quick start.
00:18:25
Dave Marcinkowski.
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Carrie Richardson: Dave.
00:18:27
I can't keep up with Dave.
00:18:29
Justin Breen: No one can keep up.
00:18:29
Carrie Richardson: I loved interviewing him.
00:18:31
His mind just moves a hundred miles a minute.
00:18:33
Justin Breen: It's his heart.
00:18:33
It's his heart that propels his mind.
00:18:36
His heart is first.
00:18:38
So it's a room full of Dave's.
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He's one of our members, he's a 10 quick start.
00:18:41
A 10 quick start is one out of 200 humans.
00:18:44
In my world, it's like one out of eight, one out of one out of
00:18:46
nine.
00:18:47
One out of nine, but yeah.
00:18:51
But in that room, people calm down, they slow down.
00:18:54
And then to answer your question, now my six follow
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through is kicking in.
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So at first, certainly there had to be promotion and all that
00:19:01
kind of stuff, which.
00:19:03
I understand.
00:19:04
I get it.
00:19:04
You have to build something.
00:19:07
But at this point, what has happened is mostly members are
00:19:11
starting to introduce their fellow misunderstood friends,
00:19:14
and that it'll scale itself based on their based on that.
00:19:18
What I will say, because it's a fair question is when epic
00:19:22
journey book comes out.
00:19:25
I guess my personal role and it's scaling will be that book,
00:19:29
because that book is.
00:19:32
That book is far more important than anything I've personally
00:19:36
ever done.
00:19:37
It's the most important thing besides having family.
00:19:40
But this is not a book.
00:19:42
I don't, it's just not, I don't say that lightly, but it's.
00:19:47
It's just not so put everything into it.
00:19:50
Every bit of my soul and heart into it.
00:19:53
Everything.
00:19:57
Carrie Richardson: One of the people that facilitates a peer
00:20:00
group for technology entrepreneurs mentioned that
00:20:04
there are three ways you can interact in a business.
00:20:07
You have a calling a career or a job, and it sounds like you most
00:20:11
definitely have found your calling.
00:20:14
Justin Breen: Thanks for saying that.
00:20:15
And then even though I said it one or two times in this
00:20:17
interview, I.
00:20:18
I really don't, I really do not like the word business and I
00:20:22
make people aware of it when they say it because business
00:20:25
comes from the old English word "by zingus"(translation error),
00:20:27
which means anxiety.
00:20:29
So anytime I ever heard anyone talking about that word, it, you
00:20:33
just hear the anxiety behind it.
00:20:35
Why?
00:20:35
Because that's what the word means.
00:20:37
That's what it means.
00:20:39
And it's a human construct.
00:20:41
It's just a human construct.
00:20:42
It's been trumpeted and highlighted saluted and
00:20:49
literally it just means anxiety.
00:20:51
That's what it means.
00:20:56
Carrie Richardson: How do people move towards your vision for the
00:21:00
world?
00:21:02
Justin Breen: That's up to them.
00:21:03
My father was 61 when I was born and then he was a World War II
00:21:06
hero and then he kept a diary from his fighting experiences,
00:21:09
his fighting experiences.
00:21:10
On New Year's Eve, on New Year's Eve 19 44, one of the entries,
00:21:14
he watches, watched his friend die in a plane.
00:21:17
This is graphic warning.
00:21:18
This is graphic.
00:21:20
So watch his friend die in a plane crash.
00:21:22
And then his friend's face melted off.
00:21:24
His skull was exposed and his legs melted off, stumped,
00:21:28
charred legs.
00:21:30
So he watched that.
00:21:31
And then 20 minutes later, his commanding officer said to him
00:21:34
and his friend, Hey, can you do another mission?
00:21:36
And then they said, yeah, They were excited to go on it.
00:21:38
So that's a visionary.
00:21:40
Most people can't do that.
00:21:41
So I don't understand not thinking and feeling like that.
00:21:44
I don't, it's confusing to me.
00:21:47
It's confusing.
00:21:48
So true, that's a true visionary.
00:21:50
So what I will say is a true visionary, if they don't feel
00:21:55
the way I feel, they're not, to me, they're not a true
00:21:58
visionary.
00:21:59
It's really up to them.
00:22:00
And what I've seen in our room is everyone feels like that.
00:22:04
And acts like that, and then they want to help attract
00:22:09
others.
00:22:10
They want to attract others to that.
00:22:11
Because of the great misunderstanding of people like
00:22:14
us with everyone else, and then people like us are the ones that
00:22:17
create everything that actually help everyone else and everyone
00:22:19
else isn't even aware of it.
00:22:21
I guess technically it's my vision, but I was given a gift
00:22:24
and it's my responsibility.
00:22:26
Like it was my dad's responsibility to go on that
00:22:28
mission after he watched his friend melt.
00:22:30
You just do it.
00:22:31
No choice.
00:22:31
You have to do it.
00:22:37
Carrie Richardson: So what's next then?
00:22:40
Justin Breen: Success is progressive realization of
00:22:42
worthy ideal.
00:22:43
If I, my heart and gut tell me to do something, I do it.
00:22:46
No questions.
00:22:48
I don't really live in the future.
00:22:49
I live in the present my wife's grandmother who passed away a
00:22:53
couple of years ago.
00:22:55
To paraphrase her, she always talked about present as a gift.
00:22:58
So presence, present as a gift.
00:22:59
What's next today?
00:23:03
Carrie Richardson: You're doing the work that's in front of you
00:23:05
today.
00:23:07
Justin Breen: Yes, correct.
00:23:08
It's a good question.
00:23:09
The next meeting I have is with a great man named Roosevelt
00:23:12
Giles.
00:23:15
He's in the book too.
00:23:16
And so because you asked it, it makes sense.
00:23:18
It's perfect alignment.
00:23:19
So his parents his parents were cotton picking sharecroppers in
00:23:23
the South.
00:23:23
He is now a higher level exec on NASDAQ.
00:23:26
He has multiple companies.
00:23:28
The first time he and I talked, he was running a marathon.
00:23:31
He was running a marathon on zoom.
00:23:33
On zoom in Minnesota, he's run almost 400 marathons on seven
00:23:37
continents.
00:23:37
He started running because his brother was dying and he said,
00:23:39
you need to get healthy, so he started running marathons.
00:23:43
And then Roosevelt invited me to ring the NASDAQ bell closing
00:23:47
ceremony, and then people kept asking me what an IPO is, and I
00:23:50
don't know what an IPO is.
00:23:51
I don't care what it is.
00:23:52
And they're like, are you doing an IPO?
00:23:53
I go, I don't know what you're talking about.
00:23:55
I can't be more specific than this, but because I'm like, oh,
00:23:58
that's a good idea.
00:23:58
I'll just go ring the NASDAQ bell at closing ceremony.
00:24:01
I met the person who has agreed to do the forward for my book,
00:24:04
which I can't say publicly, but it's a very big deal.
00:24:06
So that's what that's just how life is when you don't overthink
00:24:11
things.
00:24:11
You just take action and you make no excuses ever.
00:24:16
Carrie Richardson: I can't really think of any questions to
00:24:18
ask you.
00:24:19
I'm Enjoying hearing how you move through the world.
00:24:22
Justin Breen: Thank you.
00:24:23
The word I hear more than anything is refreshing.
00:24:25
That's what I hear.
00:24:26
I hear that multiple times a day.
00:24:28
I know I've been given a gift, it's a great responsibility.
00:24:33
It's been very painful, but it's a responsibility and it would be
00:24:37
a disservice to humanity not to share this gift as it's a
00:24:41
disservice to humanity for any visionary not to share their
00:24:44
gifts or for any human for that matter.
00:24:47
But most people make excuses their whole life and it just
00:24:50
ruins everything.
00:24:52
It ruins everything because they make excuses and they don't
00:24:55
share their gift.
00:24:56
So I guess that's what's next for me.
00:24:57
I'll keep sharing my gift.
00:24:59
So thanks for asking.
00:25:00
Carrie Richardson: How do people who are stuck identify their
00:25:02
gifts?
00:25:02
Or is it more of a, if you don't know what your gift is, you
00:25:06
don't have one yet?
00:25:07
Justin Breen: Success is the progressive realization of a
00:25:09
word, the ideal.
00:25:10
You never stop.
00:25:12
My dad was shot down multiple times in combat.
00:25:14
Many times without a parachute, you get back into a plane.
00:25:16
So if you keep getting shot down, you just get back into the
00:25:18
next plane.
00:25:19
No excuses.
00:25:22
And the first chapter of the book is about serendipity.
00:25:27
What that means is, essentially, you do something and then what
00:25:32
you weren't looking for is actually what your gift was.
00:25:36
What you weren't looking for.
00:25:37
That's when you actually find it.
00:25:39
So by looking for something, you actually find out what you were
00:25:42
supposed to be looking for.
00:25:44
Carrie Richardson: So if you think about your father's
00:25:48
calling, what if there hadn't been a war?
00:25:51
Justin Breen: No, I don't live like, no, wrong question.
00:25:55
People ask me all the time.
00:25:56
Is there anything you would have changed in your life?
00:25:58
Nope.
00:25:59
My parents met, my dad was hit by a drunk driver in his late
00:26:02
fifties.
00:26:02
Drunk driver was killed.
00:26:05
My dad miraculously survived, broke every bone in his body.
00:26:09
Not literally, but and then he woke up, thought he was dead.
00:26:12
My mom was an angel.
00:26:13
My mom was his night nurse.
00:26:15
My mom was 27 when I was born, 61 and 27.
00:26:19
Figure it out.
00:26:20
Carrie Richardson: So some of it is just purely situational or
00:26:23
the universe.
00:26:25
Pushing you towards your gift.
00:26:27
Justin Breen: Too much overthinking on that.
00:26:29
You just go out and do it and see what happens.
00:26:31
Yeah, so with this book I, I saw with with the book that my dad
00:26:35
drew a diary in his or in his diary, drew a map of three
00:26:38
cities.
00:26:40
Three cities in one was London, two Paris, and then three, this
00:26:45
small town in France called Nancy France, N A N C Y.
00:26:48
And I saw that and I go, Oh, I'm going to Nancy.
00:26:51
So I went to Nancy and then I found the answer to what I was
00:26:54
looking for because I saw a map and went for it.
00:26:59
Carrie Richardson: So you just start looking.
00:27:02
Justin Breen: I don't understand the overthinking.
00:27:04
What if, what now?
00:27:05
You just do it.
00:27:06
And again, most people overthink things their whole life.
00:27:11
Carrie Richardson: I feel that in my soul.
00:27:13
I can't understand why everyone has to make great big plans
00:27:16
before they go out and execute It's illogical.
00:27:18
Go do it.
00:27:19
Justin Breen: One, because they're low quick starts and
00:27:21
they're afraid of risk.
00:27:22
And two, most people are not visionaries because to be great
00:27:25
is to be misunderstood.
00:27:26
If the entire world was a visionary, it'd be a complete
00:27:29
disaster.
00:27:29
There would be, it'd be anarchy chaos.
00:27:33
But so when you ask, like, when you ask a question like that, I
00:27:37
can't understand it really because a true visionary would
00:27:40
just do it.
00:27:41
They wouldn't be stuck.
00:27:44
They wouldn't be stuck.
00:27:45
They would do everything.
00:27:45
They would never stop.
00:27:47
No matter what ever.
00:27:48
Okay.
00:27:49
When people realize they're the problem and not to blame anyone
00:27:53
else, then a lot of problems are solved when you realize you're
00:27:55
the problem.
00:27:57
Stop being the problem.
00:27:58
Stop making excuses.
00:28:00
But most people make excuses and live in fear.
00:28:02
That's just how it is.
00:28:04
And I don't think about that because if you're your own
00:28:06
problem, I can't help you.
00:28:08
Unless you realize it.
00:28:10
But a true visionary knows that they're the problem.
00:28:12
They'll do whatever they can to fix it.
00:28:13
That's why I had to create a room where people will actually
00:28:16
fix themselves to fix the world.
00:28:19
Pretty simple.
00:28:20
Hard to do, but pretty simple.
00:28:23
Carrie Richardson: Simple, not easy.
00:28:24
Justin Breen: But no excuses.
00:28:25
You do it.
00:28:26
No matter what.
00:28:30
Carrie Richardson: Would the room be overwhelming for someone
00:28:31
that didn't belong in it?
00:28:33
Justin Breen: Yes.
00:28:34
Immediately.
00:28:34
So what happens when it's someone who's not like this,
00:28:36
they hang up.
00:28:38
It doesn't happen much anymore, but in some of the other rooms,
00:28:42
again, invest a lot of money in some of the other rooms I'm in,
00:28:44
we'll have breakouts and let's say there's four people and two
00:28:47
of them are talking like this, the two don't think like this.
00:28:49
They literally will leave the breakout room.
00:28:51
I've seen it happen.
00:28:53
Many times many times they can't handle it because these
00:28:57
conversations are mirrors into someone's own soul.
00:28:59
And if their soul is not evolved enough to handle it, they
00:29:02
disappear.
00:29:03
They're just not ready for it.
00:29:04
Carrie Richardson: Some people can't function without an agenda
00:29:06
and an, a goal in mind.
00:29:09
Like it has to end somewhere it has to start somewhere.
00:29:12
Justin Breen: So people asking what's the agenda for this call?
00:29:14
I go, what are you even, I know immediately if someone asks that
00:29:16
they're not a visionary immediately, or someone asks,
00:29:20
what do you cost or charge, not a visionary, they're just not,
00:29:25
Carrie Richardson: I've always just figured out how to get the
00:29:28
things that I needed.
00:29:29
Justin Breen: Why?
00:29:30
Of course, simple, but not easy.
00:29:32
Figure it out.
00:29:33
Carrie Richardson: I don't have any more questions for you.
00:29:35
Justin Breen: You ask great ones.
00:29:36
Carrie Richardson: If somebody wants to learn more about Epic
00:29:38
Fit Network, where do we go?
00:29:41
Justin Breen: TheEpicFit.
00:29:41
com.
00:29:42
TheEpicFit.
00:29:43
com.
00:29:45
Carrie Richardson: TheEpicFit.
00:29:45
com.
00:29:45
Justin Breen: Yep.
00:29:49
Carrie Richardson: Thank you.
00:29:50
Justin Breen: You're welcome.
00:29:50
Thank you means acknowledging the other person's humanity.
00:29:53
So we learned that in the group from one of our members who
00:29:55
bought the second flying car in the United States, and then he
00:29:57
taught the group what thank you means.
00:29:59
Acknowledging the other person's humanity.
00:30:01
Just learned that one.
00:30:02
That was a good one.
00:30:03
Carrie Richardson: I didn't know that.
00:30:04
Justin Breen: Of course not.
00:30:05
No one knows what they're saying.
00:30:06
They don't.
00:30:07
They're just saying words and they don't know.
00:30:10
But it's, that's, it's fun, right?
00:30:12
Like business, anxiety.
00:30:14
That's what it means.
00:30:15
Carrie Richardson: In yoga, we would say namaste.
00:30:20
I recognize.
00:30:21
I recognize the teacher in you.
00:30:23
You recognize the teacher in me.
00:30:24
We both have something to learn from each other.
00:30:26
Always.
00:30:27
Justin Breen: Oh, thank you.
00:30:28
I just learned that.
00:30:29
Thank you.
00:30:30
Thank you.
00:30:32
Carrie Richardson: Acknowledging my humanity.
00:30:34
I appreciate you.
00:30:36
Justin Breen: Active learner.
00:30:37
Carrie Richardson: I don't know what I'm gonna do with the rest
00:30:38
of my day now.
00:30:39
Everything I had today seems dull.
00:30:41
Justin Breen: It's okay.
00:30:42
I don't live in that world anymore.
00:30:43
Carrie Richardson: I like your world.
00:30:44
Justin Breen: It sounds more interesting.
00:30:45
It's far more interesting.
00:30:51
Carrie Richardson: I am off to my next call, which I don't
00:30:54
think is going to be as interesting as this one.
00:30:55
Justin Breen: No chance.
00:30:56
Zero chance of that.
00:30:58
Not zero, but if my calls are not this interesting, they go
00:31:02
horribly wrong at this point, horribly wrong, but it's very
00:31:05
rare that they're not like this anymore.
00:31:08
But listen to what you just said.
00:31:09
You just said your next call is not going to be like this.
00:31:12
Carrie Richardson: They can't all be the same.
00:31:13
What would life be like then?
00:31:14
Justin Breen: Hey, they can all be this great.
00:31:16
That's my point.
00:31:17
They can.
00:31:18
Okay.
00:31:19
I'm very grateful for your time.
00:31:21
If you need anything else from me please let me know
00:31:24
Carrie Richardson: While time may be a construct for you and
00:31:26
I, it is not a construct for the person who I have to meet with
00:31:29
in one minute.
00:31:29
So I will have to go on.
00:31:31
I'm going to read your book now.
00:31:32
I thought you might've been a crackpot, but now I'm going to
00:31:34
go read your book.
00:31:35
Justin Breen: That's cause you'll see.
00:31:37
You'll see.
00:31:40
Carrie Richardson: I don't think you're a crackpot now
00:31:42
Justin Breen: But most people do.
00:31:43
They don't understand.
00:31:45
Carrie Richardson: There's like a, when I don't understand
00:31:48
someone, I try to put aside every bias that I've brought
00:31:53
into the conversation and just listen to them as a person and
00:31:58
see what our shared experiences are, don't look for the things
00:32:01
that separate me from another person.
00:32:02
I look for the things that make me the same as them.
00:32:04
Justin Breen: God bless you for
00:32:05
Carrie Richardson: I'd rather do this all day than talk about my
00:32:08
P and L.
00:32:09
Justin Breen: I don't know what P and L means and I don't care.
00:32:11
But yes, great.
00:32:12
Exactly.
00:32:12
I love it.
00:32:13
Okay, you have to get your next call.
00:32:16
You're great.
00:32:18
Au revoir.
00:32:19
Carrie Richardson: Au revoir.
